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[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by rhys

I don't know what "Little Britain" is RD. But corporate sites, company sites, amateur sites, news releases, and what the blogosphere contains are all relevant to understand what is about to happen in Japan. If you'd like I'd be happy to stop the posts and keep them to myself. It's more time for me to reg compound domains. Chuckle.



Another enigmatic post Drew. ? ? ?

bovvered. am i bovvered

[markits]

u bovvered?

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by markits

u bovvered?

face bovvered? am i bovvered? does my face look bovvered? I AINT BOVVERED!

[Olney]

You do realize that this can all be easily accomplished by a term that I've been using all along called "a mirror"...
It's easy to do & takes about 10 minutes on a server... No ripping stuff out...

I publicly said it will be a long time before we see companies "switch" turn off their existing URL for an IDN. Putting a domain in your server for a mirror is exactly what you call "cloning".

Those who have servers can think
Would you do this "ripping", or would you just mirror the site....
Looks like a mirror to me

It's called a mirror because ... ah forget....
Mirror sites don't coexist well in Search Engines...

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Yes, the content is duplicated, but if you look carefully these are Cloned Sites. I have previously defined Cloned Sites as complete content replicas that have had all their internal links ripped out and replaced with IDN URLs. These are separately hosted stand alone sites that will replace the ASCII version. Something that you have pulbicly gone on the record and stated would never happen.

Of course they need to maintain a ASCII.co.jp equivalent and continue to publicise themselves in that way, under the mistaken assumption that some Japanese do actually want to type in, until browser support arrives. Once that happens the ASCII Urls will get dropped like a stone.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

bovvered. am i bovvered

Wrong show I believe, but Drews comment is indeed and extract from Little Britain.

Yours is Catherine Tate.

Hell I normally only get to see the bloody trailers! How have I become this brainwashed?

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Wrong show I believe

am i bovvered

[markits]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

face bovvered? am i bovvered? does my face look bovvered? I AINT BOVVERED!

Josh: You're not invited to the party!
Nat: Am I bovvered?

[Rubber Duck]

That explanation does not sit well with those that still have some links pointing back to the original ASCII site, whilst others are showing an IDN link.

However, this is all virtually irrelevant and totally off the point. If what you are saying is correct and that the whole thing can be totally switched over from one URL to another with no collateral damage, that is even more significant than what I have been claiming, and the fact that people might actually be doing it is absolutely mind blowing. Shame you never thought to mention it before.

Originally Posted by Olney

You do realize that this can all be easily accomplished by a term that I've been using all along called "a mirror"...
It's easy to do & takes about 10 minutes on a server... No ripping stuff out...

I publicly said it will be a long time before we see companies "switch" turn off their existing URL for an IDN. Putting a domain in your server for a mirror is exactly what you call "cloning".

Those who have servers can think
Would you do this "ripping", or would you just mirror the site....
Looks like a mirror to me

It's called a mirror because ... ah forget....
Mirror sites don't coexist well in Search Engines...

[Alphamale]

edit: what was this thread about? ... oh yeah.. the bloggers.

They are gonna be piiiiiiiiised that someone nicked all their domains.

oh well, whats goes around comes around. It makes me feel a little better about the yanks nicking all the .co.uk domains

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

edit: what was this thread about? ... oh yeah.. the bloggers.

They are gonna be piiiiiiiiised that someone nicked all their domains.

oh well, whats goes around comes around. It makes me feel a little better about the yanks nicking all the .co.uk domains

They can keep the co.uk for me, but it still hurts they got all the dot coms before we got online!

[Olney]

OK yeah I never explained to forum members what a "mirror site" was
RD would you recommend the best next moves for companies is to mirror "clone" their existing sites like the ones that you showed?

Back on Topic

I think it's good that the young bloggers are promoting IDNs
I had a guy on Mixi who told me the first one he tried to register was one I own.
It was related to something he does, so he did try to go generic first & then bought something related with the project name...

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

That explanation does not sit well with those that still have some links pointing back to the original ASCII site, whilst others are showing an IDN link.

However, this is all virtually irrelevant and totally off the point. If what you are saying is correct and that the whole thing can be totally switched over from one URL to another with no collateral damage, that is even more significant than what I have been claiming, and the fact that people might actually be doing it is absolutely mind blowing. Shame you never thought to mention it before.

[Rubber Duck]

OK, I understand that we have three threads mixed up in one here.

The proper solution perhaps would be take the content relating to mirrored site to the thread where I listed the domains, rather than just brushing the subject under the carpet.

[Prodigy]

Regarding Bloggers versus Corporate IDNs

We have to understand that corporate IDNs are not a response to current consumer demand for IDNs, but rather an actionable step to protect their copyright.

I find the increase in blog websites in IDN much more interesting because it shows the consumer demand for IDNs. This is what is going to make us our money.

It is nice to know however, that corporations are watching IDNs and are planning for the future with them.

[Rubber Duck]

To defend their Trademarks, Corporates need do no more than register the names. The information I have give here indicates that are going much further than that! Yes, obviously evidence at ther Grass Roots is interesting, but we know that if major corporation are using IDN Urls that people will become familiar with IDN. The usage by major corporation has been cited by many would be Gurus here, as necessary for the adoption of IDN by the masses. When the evidence arrives, it all of a sudden becomes irrelevant.

Frankly, I find it bloody irritating that people criticise ICANN because they don't disseminate information that not yet available, when key members here won't disseminate information that is available and then turn around and treat those that don't fully understand the related key issues like complete dorks.

Originally Posted by ChinaStar

Regarding Bloggers versus Corporate IDNs

We have to understand that corporate IDNs are not a response to current consumer demand for IDNs, but rather an actionable step to protect their copyright.

I find the increase in blog websites in IDN much more interesting because it shows the consumer demand for IDNs. This is what is going to make us our money.

It is nice to know however, that corporations are watching IDNs and are planning for the future with them.

[mdw]

Huge amounts of new content, and more importantly the mindshare for IDN is gonna come from those bloggers. Big corps putting up sites doesn't affect the young ones - the ones who will buy and build and blog. Keep reading Rhys!

[markits]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

To defend their Trademarks, Corporates need do no more than register the names. The information I have give here indicates that are going much further than that! Yes, obviously evidence at ther Grass Roots is interesting, but we know that if major corporation are using IDN Urls that people will become familiar with IDN. The usage by major corporation has been cited by many would be Gurus here, as necessary for the adoption of IDN by the masses. When the evidence arrives, it all of a sudden becomes irrelevant.

Frankly, I find it bloody irritating that people criticise ICANN because they don't disseminate information that not yet available, when key members here won't disseminate information that is available and then turn around and treat those that don't fully understand the related key issues like complete dorks.

I think these corporation sites are equally important. They will eventually get indexed on SE and found by people. It will make people type in the urls in their familar language and fundamental benefit everyone of us.

As to the ICANN thingy, I am frankly not interested in tech details. I even do not care about the tech details in my own field. I often tell people working in my group: don't show me the tech details, bring me the results; If you have tech problems, solve it; If you don't know how to solve tech problems, go find another job.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by mdw

Huge amounts of new content, and more importantly the mindshare for IDN is gonna come from those bloggers. Big corps putting up sites doesn't affect the young ones - the ones who will buy and build and blog. Keep reading Rhys!

The Mind share of Dot Com and all the other big extensions was established before the term Blog was ever coined. That fact would seem to make the above statement rather questionable.

[rhys]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

The Mind share of Dot Com and all the other big extensions was established before the term Blog was ever coined. That fact would seem to make the above statement rather questionable.

RD - its the interweb - it doesn't matter what happened first and before what. What matters is that the term Blog is coined now and people both write them and read them.

Frankly I think the thought that corporations are bothering to turn on their IDNs, some probably after a significant period of dormancy is pretty exciting too. But why is everybody bickering. All this activity is to our benefit.

Let's try this. If anybody feels like taking a snipe on this thread just to join in the action or get revenge for something else said - just whip out the good ole IDN compatible browser and try looking for a good compound domain to reg instead.

Smiles everyone smiles....

[Prodigy]

Originally Posted by rhys

Let's try this. If anybody feels like taking a snipe on this thread just to join in the action or get revenge for something else said - just whip out the good ole IDN compatible browser and try looking for a good compound domain to reg instead.

Smiles everyone smiles....

What Compounds?

研究.JP

[Rubber Duck]

I cannot argue with what you are saying, but my point is that we know that large Corporate Sites affect mindshare of extensions, as that is how the Internet started out. We don't know to what extent if any Blog sites affect the mindshare of extensions. Perhaps during Web 2.0, it will be even greater, but we don't know that. We don't even have good reason to believe it. It may nonetheless be true.

What we should not be doing is discounting the one mechanism that we know for sure actually works!

Originally Posted by rhys

RD - its the interweb - it doesn't matter what happened first and before what. What matters is that the term Blog is coined now and people both write them and read them.

Frankly I think the thought that corporations are bothering to turn on their IDNs, some probably after a significant period of dormancy is pretty exciting too. But why is everybody bickering. All this activity is to our benefit.

Let's try this. If anybody feels like taking a snipe on this thread just to join in the action or get revenge for something else said - just whip out the good ole IDN compatible browser and try looking for a good compound domain to reg instead.

Smiles everyone smiles....

Originally Posted by ChinaStar

What Compounds?

研究.JP

No, I think this is vindication of the movement I started nearly a year ago registering compounds of Geographical terms with locally deliverable services.

Chalk another one up for the Duck!