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Old 19th February 2006, 12:42 PM
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IDNs in .RU

Anyone saw this? It has been several years, but the .RU folks didn't get around to implementing IDNs. Could be another several years? My conclusion is that Russian IDN.com market will probably take off a lot sooner than the IDN.RU market once the Russian internet users discover they could type in Russian and get to a website in Russian by simply adding a .com. Why bother with more expensive and slow .RU?


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Re: IDNs in .RU

Very interesting. That's for the update.

The sooner IE7 is here the more chance IDN.com with take some share of the internet space from .ru
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Re: IDNs in .RU

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Very interesting. That's for the update.

The sooner IE7 is here the more chance IDN.com with take some share of the internet space from .ru
Yes, my bet is you could make enough of your dot com Cyrillics to pay for all the RUs you want!
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Re: IDNs in .RU

well we won't see the large russian sites really transfer over to the .com from .ru
. In order to remain stable they'll most likely stay with .ru . Perhaps they'd buy the .com idn translation of their english name for forwarding purposes maybe.

new sites however will probably go straight for the IDN.com in russian.

This is my view from operating many big sites in the past and currently. It's just a pain to change URL's on a well known site.

If you look in the russian search engines a majority are .ru
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Re: IDNs in .RU

Thanks for the link.

I now realize why prime Cyrillic IDN were not taken by TDC and the other big players in 2000-2001.
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Re: IDNs in .RU

If they don't have a choice they will change. If the rest of Russia can't reach them as easy as other sites they will switch. Not because they want to but because it will be the natural progression of things.
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Re: IDNs in .RU

To enter
www.<Cyrillic_IDN>.ru one needs to switch keyboard twice, which is inconvenient

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If that is the case, where did all the traffic come from?
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Re: IDNs in .RU

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If they don't have a choice they will change. If the rest of Russia can't reach them as easy as other sites they will switch. Not because they want to but because it will be the natural progression of things.
Yes, they won't change until they realise that they have no choice. The smart ones will already have attempted to secure their IDN space, the other will just have to dig deep to buy what they need.

When will it happen, well in many cases not until they are facing commercial meltdown, but things happen very quickly in the online world. It takes much less time to build a website than it does a warehouse!

Also, just because the IDN version is not live doesn't necessarily mean that nobody is giving it any consideration. Web design may even be underway as we speak.

In India, the whole lot is going to have to be redesigned to get Hindi sites to be made searchable. You don't seriously think they they will stick with the existing URL when that happens?

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www.<Cyrillic_IDN>.ru one needs to switch keyboard twice, which is inconvenient

??

If that is the case, where did all the traffic come from?
This is the consequence of a lack of joined up thinking.

They depart from Cyrillic and end up in Cyrillic, so all those swaps have to be made already. When IDN.IDN is implemented in the near future no swaps will be required.
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Re: IDNs in .RU

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When will it happen, well in many cases not until they are facing commercial meltdown, but things happen very quickly in the online world. It takes muchess time to build a website than it does a warehouse!
That's the truth, most have been weary from lack of browser support but this ball game is about to radically change and these players know it. China knows it, DGC knows it, Website owners are starting to see it, Verisign definately knows it, hell even Kuwait knows it. (Not saying anything bad about Kuwait) Even long time staunch legacy advocates "know" it.

And after this Icann meeting next month, and the full public release of IE7 everyone who didn't will!
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That's the truth, most have been weary from lack of browser support but this ball game is about to radically change and these players know it. China knows it, DGC knows it, Website owners are starting to see it, Verisign definately knows it, hell even Kuwait knows it. (Not saying anything bad about Kuwait) Even long time staunch legacy advocates "know" it.

And after this Icann meeting next month, and the full public release of IE7 everyone who didn't will!
Yes, thinking about it the obstacles are being greatly exaggerated. Hell, it is only about three years since China junked all its websites to migrate to Unicode. We are only actually talking about changing URLs here, that has to be a lot less complicated than a total rebuild!
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Re: IDNs in .RU

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Yes, thinking about it the obstacles are being greatly exaggerated. Hell, it is only about three years since China junked all its websites to migrate to Unicode. We are only actually talking about changing URLs here, that has to be a lot less complicated than a total rebuild!
What obstacles? Other than the ones that seem to have a brain fart every time idns are mentioned.

Usually simple conclusions are complicated by overthinking.
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What obstacles? Other than the ones that seem to have a brain fart every time idns are mentioned.

Usually simple conclusions are complicated by overthinking.
There are undoubtedly huge problems to overcome, but Far East mindset some how seems to get you from conception to implementation at a much faster rate. Its probably because they take the view that end justifies the means. If you had to build the UK railway system from scratch today, it would take much longer than they have actually been in existence to get planning approval, let alone build the bloodly things.
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There are undoubtedly huge problems to overcome, but Far East mindset some how seems to get you from conception to implementation at a much faster rate. Its probably because they take the view that end justifies the means. If you had to build the UK railway system from scratch today, it would take much longer than they have actually been in existence to get planning approval, let alone build the bloodly things.
Yes, I was only joking. You are correct. There are many hurdles to leap. I for one am glad that this Icann/Verisign War is over. Now, maybe these two can get back to the table and finally draw up the final drafts for our investments. Part of their settlement was over IDNs and Icanns heel dragging.
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