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«Обсуждение зоны SU начали сначала, - сообщил сегодня региональный представитель ICANN в странах СНГ Вени Марковски на секции «Вопросы безопасности бизнеса при использовании сети Интернет», которую провел на РИФе Координационный центр национального домена сети Интернет.

Марковски рассказал о проведенных в начале этой недели переговорах с администрацией домена SU, сделав короткое заключение, что ситуация с доменом SU решится в интересах интернет-сообщества. Предыдущую дискуссию решено прекратить, и вопрос о развитии домена SU теперь рассматривается «с нуля». Уже известно, что в ближайшее время будет существенно снижена стоимость регистрации доменов в этой зоне.

В связи с недавним инцидентом с компанией RegisterFly Вени Марковски сообщил, что ICANN, скорее всего, инициирует новую политику аккредитации регистраторов. По словам Марковски, от недобросовестной работы этого регистратора пострадали около 1 млн владельцев доменов.

По словам представителя ICANN, до конца года планируется запустить регистрацию кириллических доменов в тестовом режиме, причем регистрация будет проходить не в зоне RU, как ожидалось, а в зоне РФ.

Александр Панов, директор компании «Гарант Парк Телеком», добавил, что введение кириллических доменов в зоне RU было ориентировано не на всех пользователей, а на тех людей, которые не знают английский язык. Логичным, по его мнению, стало решение открыть регистрацию кириллических доменов в новой русскоязычной доменной зоне РФ


Доклад Александра Панова был посвящен использованию электронных сертификатов в системе регистрации доменов. По мнению Панова, бумажный документооборот скоро себя изживет, и уже сейчас назрела необходимость использовать электронную цифровую подпись при регистрации доменных имен.

О рисках, связанных с потерей доменов, рассказал на секции Андрей Воробьев, директор департамента по связям с общественностью RU-CENTER. Он отметил, что потеря доменов – это потеря не только потраченных на его регистрацию и «раскрутку» денег, но зачастую и потеря той части бизнеса, который компания проводила в Интернете, а также потеря средств, вложенных в раскрутку бренда.

Доклад Ульяны Зининой, юрисконсульта Координационного центра домена RU, был посвящен противодействию использованию Интернета в террористических целях.

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Sounds like it might be kind of good news to me, if I understand it correctly (and I'm not at all sure I do).

Sounds like .SU is on hold, . RU isn't looking to get IDNs soon, but .РФ might come along somehow and implement IDNs. Someone feel free to correct my understanding of the article.

In that case, Russian IDN.com's may continue their head start in the Russian IDN game.

What do others make of this article?
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Sounds like it might be kind of good news to me, if I understand it correctly (and I'm not at all sure I do).

Sounds like .SU is on hold, . RU isn't looking to get IDNs soon, but .РФ might come along somehow and implement IDNs. Someone feel free to correct my understanding of the article.

In that case, Russian IDN.com's may continue their head start in the Russian IDN game.

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I think You get it right (sorry for my terrible english).
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. RU isn't looking to get IDNs soon
As I anderstood - they'll don't at all.
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yes, you are right Ajiotaj. we can be even more sure that idn.ru is not going to happen at all. so it's going to be idn.com vs idn.idn (idn.рф) - many people sure that in this combat idn.com has highly value, at least in the beginning, but i think it's not that obvious... as a user i'd rather choose idn.idn...

however, there is another wave of thoughts in the russian web world: people are not going to be happy with the chosen extension (.рф)... another possibility: idn.ру is much more brandable (there is even a popular song about it if you remember from Ivanushki International) and many other stuff like .ru brands, etc. it is going to be easier to remember and to get associated with. the problem with that is only that it look similar to another country's tld: .py. now, the solution could be simple: they could just redirect something typed in with .ру (in Russian) to its .рф aliase. it's probably not going to happen... where users will be directed if they type idn.ru or idn.ру (in Russian)? nowhere?

if all browsers and email application were required to show IDN sign within the domain name - the whole fishing problem would disappear.

anyway, by the beginning of 2008 we will be head to head with idn.com vs idn.idn (idn.рф) - only time can show what will happen.

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As I anderstood - they'll don't at all.
Well, going back over it again, it does look that way to me. Of course, I don't speak Russian natively -- or even well.
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Доклад Александра Панова был посвящен использованию электронных сертификатов в системе регистрации доменов. По мнению Панова, бумажный документооборот скоро себя изживет, и уже сейчас назрела необходимость использовать электронную цифровую подпись при регистрации доменных имен.
this is also very important for native russian speaker like you and me ) we would be able to keep our investments in both baskets and can win no matter what. i think our foreign fellows would find this news encouraging too - because they also won't need to sign (by hand) the actual contracts with russian registrars and the new (after sunrise) idn.idn registration process would be simplified maybe even like it is right now with .com registrations.
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yes, you are right Ajiotaj. we can be even more sure that idn.ru is not going to happen at all. so it's going to be idn.com vs idn.idn (idn.рф) - many people sure that in this combat idn.com has highly value, at least in the beginning, but i think it's not that obvious... as a user i'd rather choose idn.idn...

however, there is another wave of thoughts in the russian web world: people are not going to be happy with the chosen extension (.рф)... another possibility: idn.ру is much more brandable (there is even a popular song about it if you remember from Ivanushki International) and many other stuff like .ru brands, etc. it is going to be easier to remember and to get associated with. the problem with that is only that it look similar to another country's tld: .py. now, the solution could be simple: they could just redirect something typed in with .ру (in Russian) to its .рф aliase. it's probably not going to happen... where users will be directed if they type idn.ru or idn.ру (in Russian)? nowhere?

if all browsers and email application were required to show IDN sign within the domain name - the whole fishing problem would disappear.

anyway, by the beginning of 2008 we will be head to head with idn.com vs idn.idn (idn.рф) - only time can show what will happen.
Don't You guys think that ICANN will be pleasured to introduce us .ком alias to .com? In that case idn.ком will undoubtedly win vs idn.рф or even idn.ру.
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The good news is that РоссияскаяФедерация.сom has been sold on this forum a few days ago.

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The good news is that РоссияскаяФедерация.сom has been sold on this forum a few days ago.
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Don't You guys think that ICANN will be pleasured to introduce us .ком alias to .com? In that case idn.ком will undoubtedly win vs idn.рф or even idn.ру.

I think that would be awesome news... doesn't make sense to me why it would go any other way.
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Don't You guys think that ICANN will be pleasured to introduce us .ком alias to .com? In that case idn.ком will undoubtedly win vs idn.рф or even idn.ру.
i agree, especially if yandex starts including .комs into its index the same way it includes .ru (or future .рф) domains. i hope that's what will happen. and also i hope google finally gets more heavily into russian search market.


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The good news is that РоссияскаяФедерация.сom has been sold on this forum a few days ago.
the good news would be to get рф.com than this one:

российская федерация 61.252 (long name and not quite searched)
рф 694.975 (extension-domain, very short, very searchable)

i wonder who's got it. )

and if your really got РоссияскаяФедерация.сom - than you better notice that it's a misspelled one. i hope you just misspelled it here.
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Thats the full official name of the country.

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still even in that meaning россия would be a much better choice anyway.
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Its not a matter of choice. Its a matter of being a good deal. Your country's full name, by the way, is still available for reg fee. But maybe not for long. Enjoy the show.
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i don't consider the official name of the country as a good purchase - the popular name of it - yes!
the official country names (unless they equal to their popular versions) are worse than just generic words with higher search volumes - IMHO - so, since there are so many generic one-word domains available in the russian idn .com field - i'd suggest you to buy 2 generic one-word domains (even commercial terms, as well as cities, regions, harismatic words: all with great searches can still be found today - i keep my list and buy little by little whenever i have some cash) rather than just this long 2-word domain (official country name that is) - for the less money. it's my opinion - you have yours. end of story.

Ajiotaj, у тебя есть рабочие idn сайты, которые определяются в поисковиках?
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Ajiotaj, у тебя есть рабочие idn сайты, которые определяются в поисковиках?
Есть. Причем без всяких раскруток сайт пятый в выдаче гугла по запрусу флейм - флейм.com:o
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классно - значит idn имеет серьезное значение для гугла.
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классно - значит idn имеет серьезное значение для гугла.
Это не новость.
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классно - значит idn имеет серьезное значение для гугла.
Да, но в то же время при наборе этого слова в google.com.ua мой сайт далеко не на первых поизициях... Я даже его не нашел, честно говоря :-(
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