How long before we see IDN domains that suck?

[Olney]

I was just looking at two other places I frequent & a few people asking for good short domains. The domains I saw trying to be sold shouldn't have been registered in the first play.
I mean what planet thinks domains like qitc.com or nuoy.net remotely look good?

Anyway we can't be registering real Premium IDN domains forever. Even IDN domains I don't feel like registering look better than what's floating around in English. How long do we have till we start seeing a vast decrease in quality of the IDN domains showing up here?

I got a feeling that most of us are going to hold out a little bit but how long till people constantly start posting IDN domains that just make you say "What were you thinking"

[Rubber Duck]

I sometimes feel that already and it is often worse because it my portfolio I am looking at. We cannot all be on target all of the time.

Domain name speculation is finite in its potential. Domaining 1.0 has almost realised the extent of its potential as a speculative vehicle.

For Domain 2.0 the speculative cycle is well advanced.

Speculation has four main phases.

The first phase is the indentification of value nobody else can see.

The second is securing vast amounts of that value at the existing market price, which is well below the potential market value.

The third phase involves sitting on the assets and perhaps marketing the concept, whilst a resale or rental market develops.

The fourth phase is realising the potential of your investment.

After that we are talking bog standard investments.

I would suggest that for all on this forum we have managed one and that those with the plot are moving from two to three. I would suggest that for some of us phase three is well under way, and we are eagerly anticipating four.

Unfortunately, for some and it would seem that DCG is amongst them, they are just getting heads around one, as others are preparing of phase four. That is not speculation. At best it is damage limitation and at worst it is Sh*tti*ng **T.

[touchring]

I beg to differ, we're still in phase 1 'The first phase is the indentification of value nobody else can see.'.

The market isn't fully developed to go past phase 1 - we're still living in our little marketplace about 100+ enthusiasts, buying and selling at enthusiast price. Will end users and corporation buy and sell houston.com for 1-2k?

Once the world is aware of IDNs (it may take sometime though, even DCG does not fully understand), a lot of Asian businessmen won't hesitate to pay $10,000 to $20,000 to buy their city/state dot com and give it as a gift to the community government. Face is at stake - i won't elaborate further.

:-)

[burnsinternet]

Originally Posted by Olney

...how long till people constantly start posting IDN domains that just make you say "What were you thinking"

I think we are there.

[Wot]

Et tu RD - example my IDN portfolio - but a few goodies as well as I am learning fast- I hope.

Yes, and would it not be nice to see our huge panel of "experts" using their vast knowledge to educate the new guys.

Will go a long way to create a happy sharing forum for the vast numbers of new IDN ers that the not too distant future will spawn.

[Alphamale]

my two cents.

I truly believe there will be some real shockers. I think some of my biggest buys will turn out to be flops, and some of my unknows will be big surprises.

thats why i am a real advocate of tactical dynamite fishing, you never know what you'll turn up.

and as long as you can afford to re-reg until the traffic/offers arrive (or not)

[alex]

Originally Posted by burnsinternet

I think we are there.

I agree, but unlike the ASCII market it's not because there aren't any good names left.

It's because of typos and language barriers. I see domains being offered for sale while higher quality terms with the same meaning are unregistered. Sometimes, I catch myself making typos while checking names and find they're already registered. Then in a few cases, I have corrected my mistakes and find the proper spellings are still available.

I'm guilty of registering some junk myself, but you never know what's going to have value to the right buyer. Not to mention, the value that a strong developed site can give to an otherwise worthless name.

Originally Posted by Alphamale

I truly believe there will be some real shockers. I think some of my biggest buys will turn out to be flops, and some of my unknows will be big surprises.

thats why i am a real advocate of tactical dynamite fishing, you never know what you'll turn up.

Exactly what I was getting at (before I saw your post).

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

my two cents.

I truly believe there will be some real shockers. I think some of my biggest buys will turn out to be flops, and some of my unknows will be big surprises.

thats why i am a real advocate of tactical dynamite fishing, you never know what you'll turn up.

and as long as you can afford to re-reg until the traffic/offers arrive (or not)

Even for dynamite fishing, you need to place the dynamite near coral reefs and not in the middle of a sandbed.

[alex]

Originally Posted by touchring

Even for dynamite fishing, you need to place the dynamite near coral reefs and not in the middle of a sandbed.

I think that's what he meant by "tactical".

[seamo]

You only need to sift through xn-- drops to see how much crap has been registered in the past...

What were people thinking? It looks like random strings of characters were stuffed in a register and regged just for the hell of it!

Let's hope idners have sufficiently matured and moved beyond that now....

[touchring]

Originally Posted by alex

I think that's what he meant by "tactical".

Yes, i missed that "tactical" -> opposite of "mindless'.

And yes, i've started to filter through craps. Still registering lots of them. But if you look at the portfolio of iREITs, 98% of them are craps, but craps earn them millions a year.

So there is value in craps - just think harder....

[seamo]

Originally Posted by touchring

Even for dynamite fishing, you need to place the dynamite near coral reefs and not in the middle of a sandbed.

Please - where can I get me some of that dynamite? I know you boys are talking secret idner's business

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by seamo

Please - where can I get me some of that dynamite? I know you boys are talking secret idner's business

1. find Japanese - English word list (could be dictionary, slang word list etc etc)
2. Bulk check all nouns for availability
3. Score each with google hits, overture, bids, and "gut feel"
4. Decide upon a minimum threshold
5. Buy everything in the list
6. rinse and repeat for other languages
7. park it up
8. wait..

tactical dynamite should only be used alongside other tactics such as "sniping". (aka focused regging of specific topics)

other methods include "breaking & entering" (aka knocking on someones door until they give in and sell you what you want)

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

1. find Japanese - English word list (could be dictionary, slang word list etc etc)
2. Bulk check all nouns for availability
3. Score each with google hits, overture, bids, and "gut feel"
4. Decide upon a minimum threshold
5. Buy everything in the list
6. rinse and repeat for other languages
7. park it up
8. wait..

tactical dynamite should only be used alongside other tactics such as "sniping". (aka focused regging of specific topics)

other methods include "breaking & entering" (aka knocking on someones door until they give in and sell you what you want)

Just to add... Fishing with nuclear explosives is not for the faint of heart and you should have a sturdy bank balance.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Just to add... Fishing with nuclear explosives is not for the faint of heart and you should have a sturdy bank balance.

Yes, it would appear that some have managed to get hold of some ex-Soviet nuclear depth charges. Very messy!

[touchring]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Just to add... Fishing with nuclear explosives is not for the faint of heart and you should have a sturdy bank balance.

If the domains you register can pay for themselves in a year without IE7, this shouldn't be a problem.

[Explorer]

Traffic at this stage may not always be a good indication of a domain value. I have one consumer product .com with 1MM OVT that gets almost no traffic at all. Go figure.

[mulligan]

I have one or two names that also have IMN+ Ovt but Im lucky to get 20 visits a month -- On the other hand I have Latin .nets with 100 Ovt and one of those is probably my best earner

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Explorer

Traffic at this stage may not always be a good indication of a domain value. I have one consumer product .com with 1MM OVT that gets almost no traffic at all. Go figure.

Yes, I have had a few of the same thoughts. In my view the only clear indicator of value is the number of Adwords and the value of Overture Bids. That clearly indicates that someone, however misguided, is prepared to pay hardcash for the term.

The nature of traffic needs to be born in mind as well. Revenues dropped quite abruptly when Adverts changed over to local script, as we lost the high value North American traffic, but the stuff we have no seems to be real and it also seems to be growing again, which is very encouraging. Oddly, the best revenue earners are Russian which are almost totally overlooked in the retail market!