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Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

Interesting article:

http://www.chinanews.cn//business/2007-04-12/35075.html

Chinanews,Beijing, April 12 - Latest statistics show that about 68% of 42 million small and medium-sized enterprises in China are not equipped with computers, and 63% of them have not set up websites. Obviously, this potential market of 500 billion yuan will boom, and offer a great opportunity to local IT industry.

According to the report by CCID Consulting, 99.8% of Chinese enterprises fall into the category of small and medium-sized ones, and they provide 58% of the service and products.

Most of them say no to computers at present from a costs perspective, as it takes time and money to buy computers and to train employees to use them, not to mention that they will have to transfer their documents and files into the computers, too. Even 30% of the enterprises with websites only take the Internet as a place for ads, without taking part in the booming E-commerce. Only 10% of them have realized the convenience that informatization might offer.

The Chinese government is willing to support the informatization of small and medium-sized enterprises, which is a major goal of the 11th Five-Year Plan

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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

Being bullish on domain names requires believing that this will change over time. Obviously still enormous potential for growth worldwide so it seems hard to explain the pessimists' outlook on IDNs. I don't get it at all.
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

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Being bullish on domain names requires believing that this will change over time. Obviously still enormous potential for growth worldwide so it seems hard to explain the pessimists' outlook on IDNs. I don't get it at all.

If not for the pessimism, we'll got no chance, the big boys will scoop with their domain digging bots
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

Seems to me from the Stats that 14 Million do are the is a market for 28 Million more. That doesn't sound such bad new to me.

Of course you can follow those that also advise investing in Florida Real Estate.
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

It's not true.
Believe me, I am in Chongqing,China,a inland ,not developed city .

A small custom of mine spend more than 20,000 rmb on internet ads for his
single training item.

I never find a company without computer in chongqing. A computer is cheaper
than some new type mobilephone.

But, most of them know the value of domains.

when they know a good domain will bring them some businesses,
domains we invested in will bring us millions dollar.

I believe that

BTW: to good news
1. chinese government will spread a plan to make idn.cn to 1 million registered amount in this year.
But you know .com always the Bigbrother in China.
Think about the future of idn.com in China.
2. all of chinese goverment organization must use idn.cn immediately.
I suggest you must believe Chinese government 's ability of mobilization
Think about SARS.
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

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2. all of chinese goverment organization must use idn.cn immediately.
I suggest you must believe Chinese government 's ability of mobilization
Think about SARS.

Mobilization - you need to explain further as many here may not understand. This example has been brought up over and over again. :p
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

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I believe that

BTW: to good news
1. chinese government will spread a plan to make idn.cn to 1 million registered amount in this year.
But you know .com always the Bigbrother in China.
Think about the future of idn.com in China.
2. all of chinese goverment organization must use idn.cn immediately.
I suggest you must believe Chinese government 's ability of mobilization
Think about SARS.
You are correct, and you seem to know domaining quite well.

China not only contributed a lot to IDN's cause, China is also the main force pushing IDN forward to its success. China's determination to make 2007 "Year of Chinese URL" and start building websites based on Dot Ascii is very significant, it signifies that IDN.Ascii is the core and mapping its extention to native script is supplementary. IDN.IDN is welcome to arrive anytime it pleases, it's no more a factor to hinder IDN's development.

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Mobilization - you need to explain further as many here may not understand. This example has been brought up over and over again. :p
Chinese government has ordered that all government websites shall be in Chinese URL (or IDN) in 2007!
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Chinese government has ordered that all government websites shall be in Chinese URL (or IDN) in 2007!

I think the Chinese were very proud of their ability to suppress the SARs problem, probably in comparison to Toronto, despite the fact that SARS had already infiltrated the population by the time the authorities started to act. Sending armed troops to barracate entire villages, buildings and hospitals did limit the spread. God knows how many people died during that incident.

If birdflu were to become pandemic, i've no doubts that the chinese will be able to limit contagion among the population using "mobilization" tactics.
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

I think the confusion here is over what is being measured.

42 Million business is a huge number. I don't know how many business there are in the US but if there were 42 Million and they all employed an average of 10 people this would significantly exceed the total population including those at Kindergarten and in Retirement homes.

My guess is that Chinese tend to have more information on smaller organisations, which in the West we might just regard as self employed people rather than businesses.

Even the 14 Million businesses that do have all this again is huge number. If you were to take the active workforce in the UK and divide by this number you would end up with 2 employees each.

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Originally Posted by likenobody
It's not true.
Believe me, I am in Chongqing,China,a inland ,not developed city .

A small custom of mine spend more than 20,000 rmb on internet ads for his
single training item.

I never find a company without computer in chongqing. A computer is cheaper
than some new type mobilephone.

But, most of them know the value of domains.

when they know a good domain will bring them some businesses,
domains we invested in will bring us millions dollar.

I believe that

BTW: to good news
1. chinese government will spread a plan to make idn.cn to 1 million registered amount in this year.
But you know .com always the Bigbrother in China.
Think about the future of idn.com in China.
2. all of chinese goverment organization must use idn.cn immediately.
I suggest you must believe Chinese government 's ability of mobilization
Think about SARS.
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/19/tech...ion=2007042011

Inside China's PC frenzy
The world's fastest-growing - and in many ways, largest - tech market is built around frenzied shopping malls not that different from the souks of old. An on-site report from Fortune's David Kirkpatrick.
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By David Kirkpatrick, Fortune senior editor
April 20 2007: 11:19 AM EDT

Beijing (Fortune) -- Walking into the Ding Hao mall in Beijing's Zhongguancun tech neighborhood, the first thing you see is a big booth for Lenovo. That's apt, because the company commands more than 35 percent of the Chinese PC market, more than double number two Founder, which has about 14 percent. Lenovo has paid big bucks (something like $10,000 a month) to get prime position.

It's pretty much downhill in terms of decorum, once you push your way past Lenovo's rather elegant trade-show-style booth, where rows of laptops are lined up and crowds of eager purchasers gather round ogling and bargaining with salespeople. This six-story building, with its acres and acres of selling space, is ground-zero in the Chinese technology explosion - the biggest tech mall in China's capital. This is where you come in Beijing if you want to buy anything technological.

China is the world's fastest-growing large PC market, the world's largest cell phone market (an amazing 450 million are in use here now), and home to many of the world's fastest-growing Internet companies. I'm visiting Ding Hao to get a better understanding of how people here feel about technology. And it's impossible to escape the conclusion that they are very very excited.

People talk about the importance of the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India and China), but of the four, China is far and away the biggest tech marketplace. Its 23-some million PCs sold each year far outstrips the six million or so sold in India or Russia, or the seven million in Brazil.

The government of China is so gung-ho on tech that it is almost literally putting broadband everywhere. According to one well-informed industry expert I spoke with, about 90 percent of China's rural areas already have at least some broadband. That's pretty amazing, even if in many districts only the local Communist party has access to the bandwidths.

Ding Hao is the most popular of three similar malls within a two-block area. It's a frenzy of activity even on a Monday, the slowest day of the week. On the weekend you can barely fight your way in.

Every city in China, even small ones, has similar tech bazaars. While the lower floors include booths operated by every major PC, camera and printer vendor and large multi-brand retailers, as you wend your way up the escalators you eventually reach warrens of tiny display cases selling graphics cards, mice, cellphone covers, MP3 player cords and any other kind of technology you can imagine. The booths are staffed by fresh-faced young people who shout "Come on in!" (Some even say it in English when they see me.)

In this mall Lenovo alone has four stores, and operates about 30 in the neighborhood. Most of the machines on display on the lower floors are laptops, which command about 30 percent of the Chinese market (and are growing at roughly 40 percent, twice as fast as PCs generally). For a mainstream current model you'll pay around $700, not much less than in the United States. But the competition that results from the proximity of all the vendors guarantees a good price, no matter what you are looking for. Generally you can bargain on all but the newest products.

But everything isn't cheap. While MP3 players are everywhere, and imitations of an Apple iPod Nano go for about $50 (a two gigabyte model with a larger screen than Apple (Charts, Fortune 500) offers), if you want the genuine article you'll get fleeced. For an 80 gigabyte black iPod like one Amazon sells for $330, one salesman quotes me a price of about $700. As for PCs, Apple's presence here is minimal.

When I was last in Beijing's tech neighborhood, in 1998, there were many more grungy job shops assembling no-name PCs on the fly. My guide this week, Microsoft's (Charts, Fortune 500) Deputy General Manager for China Jack Lee, says big makers are gaining here, as being legal and using name-brand products acquires increasing social status. The newer, less-crowded, and more eWorld mall next door will do very well, he says.

One reason for my China visit in 1998 was to attend a ceremony celebrating the manufacture of the one millionth Legend PC. Now that seems quaint. The company, renamed Lenovo, subsequently bought IBM's (Charts, Fortune 500) PC business, became the third largest global PC-maker, and now sells around 8 million annually in China alone.

It's just a sign of what's to come. While China is already the world's second-largest PC market, with 1.3 billion people it will soon surpass the United States. Ding Hao, eWorld and the thousands of similar malls will get even more packed. Top of page
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Re: Most Chinese small & medium-sized enterprises don't use computers

Well once it is Headline news at CNN, it is just conceivably possible that some of our top gurus might give China some consideration, but I wouldn't hold your breath!
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