IDN Disaster!!

[drbiohealth]

That's so true, Dave!

Originally Posted by Dwrixon

The difference between a Genius and a Fool, is the ability to change ones opinion when confronted with a logical argument.

The fools only try to emulate models of proven success. They are like sheep. When I am too senile to make any sense any more, they will seek my opinion, simply because in financial terms I will have a proven track record.

Olney you are a genius, but it was some argument we had back then, huh!

[thegenius1]

Originally Posted by thegenius1

I like this quote " Some People Just L@@k for the EXCEPTION in things that are EXCEPTIONAL " that is a very sad thing, But somebody in life gotta win

Originally Posted by touchring

Sorry, can't catch your meaning.

Meaning that when things are " Exceptional " people would rather Look for the Exception... Meaning that they over look what is good to Have a " But " or something negative to say. ig: we all agree that IDNS are Phenomenol, Exceptional ect.... But the naysayers rather look for the Exception, than to acknowlegde that we are onto something very Major and be apart of somthing that is Beyond Exceptional !! to sum it all up Some People Rather Be Right than Rich

Originally Posted by Dwrixon

I would think that 20-100 times would be reasonable for those that are buying in the secondary market. I am expecting some of mine to add 5 or 6 maybe even 7 Zeros!

I think the if you own sex.com in Japanese and sex.com in English is Fetching 14 million dollars, Being that the standard is already set i see absoluty no reason to sell for under 30-50% of that unless you are funding other purchases... I think somewhere we have to make idn's in some sense have some sort of standard against Ascii

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by thegenius1

I think the if you own sex.com in Japanese and sex.com in English is Fetching 14 million dollars, Being that the standard is already set i see absoluty no reason to sell for under 30-50% of that unless you are funding other purchases... I think somewhere we have to make idn's in some sense have some sort of standard against Ascii

Yes, there has to be a correlation assuming that you can find terms of exact equivalence which will often not be the case. Span of meaning varies in languages. Even in ASCII the span varies as some terms are just English wheras others are internationally accepted.

The correlation has to be based on the commerical return that can be made from a domain, which will primarily be a factor of relative economic clouts of the target markets. Chinese terms though are inherently worth more than English terms becauese of the structure of the written language. A lack of tenses, cases and plurals makes a big difference.

The other thing from the economic perspective is that you cannot just measure economies in static way in dollar terms. Percentages of disposable income are important, the dollar exchange rate greatly flatters the American postion and future trends are important. Furthermore, marketing to an rapidly expanding economy is likely to allow a much greater level of penetration, so you get much more bang for your buck!

[hanidn]

Originally Posted by Dwrixon

The difference between a Genius and a Fool, is the ability to change ones opinion when confronted with a logical argument.

wise words for the good life....

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by thegenius1

Meaning that when things are " Exceptional " people would rather Look for the Exception... Meaning that they over look what is good to Have a " But " or something negative to say. ig: we all agree that IDNS are Phenomenol, Exceptional ect.... But the naysayers rather look for the Exception, than to acknowlegde that we are onto something very Major and be apart of somthing that is Beyond Exceptional !! to sum it all up Some People Rather Be Right than Rich




I think the if you own sex.com in Japanese and sex.com in English is Fetching 14 million dollars, Being that the standard is already set i see absoluty no reason to sell for under 30-50% of that unless you are funding other purchases... I think somewhere we have to make idn's in some sense have some sort of standard against Ascii

Most of the domains now in asciii are going "up" to 100k on dnjournal.com As the japanese population is smaller, prices will probably be less until those ascii prices go up.

[touchring]

Latin domains that go up to 100K or more are valued based on PPC earnings, that goes as far as commercial keywords are concerned. If IDNs do take off, major cities and country names may command 5-6 figure valuations by intrinsic value alone.

[OldIDNer]

I think it's best to always diversify, with domains and everything else. Who knows what lies ahead. Best to have as many options as possible.

[jose]

I think that guy who sold tv.com would cry if he knows that his domain is worth a couple million

I own tv.com (serious) in greek. Look exactly the same. (xn--yxan.com)
Opinions?

I don't trust Chinese domains. They don't obey "our" rules. Everything can change overnight.

[Giant]

Originally Posted by jose

I own tv.com (serious) in greek. Look exactly the same. (xn--yxan.com)
Opinions?

I don't trust Chinese domains. They don't obey "our" rules. Everything can change overnight.

Wow, tv.com looks so cool. Thanks! I just got my first Greek tv.net :-)

What do you mean you don't trust Chinese domains? If Chinese domains die, Greek domains die too. No one can afford not to obey "our" rules, no matter how powerful they are.

There's only one world, there should be only one set of rules. You can fight and follow the procedure to change certain rules, but you cannot not to obey these rules.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by jose

I own tv.com (serious) in greek. Look exactly the same. (xn--yxan.com)
Opinions?

I don't trust Chinese domains. They don't obey "our" rules. Everything can change overnight.

τν has no OVT?

Chinese officials do not play by any rule - everything is decentralized - the same with CNNIC, they set their own policy and what is best for internet growth and e-commerce - IE7 had the plugin because of them.

You'll be surprised, how many ethnic chinese idners are on this forum....and on the internet.

[Rubber Duck]

Chinese market has uncertainties as do others. By all means diversify and be opportunistic at the same time. But don't compare the Greek market with China. It is like regging .org.uk in preference to dot.com!

[yanni]

Originally Posted by jose

I own tv.com (serious) in greek. Look exactly the same. (xn--yxan.com)
Opinions?

The letter "v" in Greek is the equivalent of "N" in English.
Furthermore, Greeks very rarely do they use the term "tv" for television and when they do it's spelled differently. And, both com and net are available.

PM me if you want the correct version, but personally I wouldn't spend the $7

Optically, it looks good

[Giant]

Originally Posted by yanni

The letter "v" in Greek is the equivalent of "N" in English.
Furthermore, Greeks very rarely do they use the term "tv" for television and when they do it's spelled differently. And, both com and net are available.

PM me if you want the correct version, but personally I wouldn't spend the $7

Optically, it looks good

Gee, I thought I could make at least $5,000 on tv.net :-) Well, this is my worst record in regging domain names. I just wanted to have some fun with Greek, it turned out it's really all Greek to me.

[yanni]

Originally Posted by Giant

Gee, I thought I could make at least $5,000 on tv.net :-) Well, this is my worst record in regging domain names. I just wanted to have some fun with Greek, it turned out it's really all Greek to me.

You can always sell it as a novelty domain

You never know.

BTW, if you need help with Greek translations, I'm your man. Send me a pm before you reg. so you won't make costly mistakes.

[Giant]

Originally Posted by yanni

You can always sell it as a novelty domain

You never know.

BTW, if you need help with Greek translations, I'm your man. Send me a pm before you reg. so you won't make costly mistakes.

Thank you for your advice. If I see any good Greek domains I like, I will consult you first.

But I don't really want to get in Greek domains, because I am not smart enough to handle the language. I focus on Englidh, Chinese, Japanese, and a few French domains. I can do better on the languages I understand.

[yanni]

Originally Posted by Giant

Thank you for your advice. If I see any good Greek domains I like, I will consult you first.

But I don't really want to get in Greek domains, because I am not smart enough to handle the language. I focus on Englidh, Chinese, Japanese, and a few French domains. I can do better on the languages I understand.

Yea, I know what you mean. That's the reason why I don't dabble in the Japanese, Chinese or Arabic names.

Plus the Greek domain market will probably take a looong time to mature.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by yanni

Yea, I know what you mean. That's the reason why I don't dabble in the Japanese, Chinese or Arabic names. Plus the Greek domain market will probably take a looong time to mature.

China = 1.3 Billion population
India= 1.1 Billion population
Total Arabic Countries- must be 300 million?
USA- 295 Million population
Russia 140 million population
Japan 130 million population
Germany 83 million
England 50 million
Greece 11 million population

Japan, China, Russia, Arabic, and India are going to be the big shows in IDN's. DON'T MISS OUT! These, by far provide the best overall opportunties, even if you just grab a dozen of each! There are plenty of people in the forum that can help with translations so don't be afraid to ask.
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[touchring]

It's better to compare broadband user base:

http://www.c-i-a.com/pr1105.htm

Top 15 Countries in Broadband Subscribers
Year-end 2005: Broadband Subscribers (#M) Share %
1. USA 46.9 21.6
2. China 35.9 16.5
3. Japan 26.4 12.2
4. South Korea 13.1 6.04
5. France 9.6 4.42
6. Germany 9.5 4.40
7. UK 8.9 4.35
8. Canada 6.7 4.09
9. Italy 6.6 3.05
10. Spain 4.6 2.12
11. Netherlands 4.4 2.00
12. Taiwan 4.3 1.97
13. Brazil 3.0 1.39
14. Australia 2.6 1.21
15. Belgium 2.1 0.97
Top 15 Countries 185.2 85.25
Worldwide Total 217.2 100


China's broadband user base grows 90-100% a year, this is a 2004 article, when subscriber base was 13 million versus 35 million a year later. I bet it wouldn't take more than 3-4 years before the number of subscribers reaches 100 million.

*China leads world on broadband - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3699820.stm


China is leading the world in the number of subscribers to high-speed net through phone lines, says a report.
The number of broadband subscribers via DSL (Digital Subscriber Line) has doubled in a year to 13 million.

Industry analyst David Greggains said it was "amazing growth," but was still only 6% of China's total phone lines.

The DSL Forum, an international broadband consortium, said high-speed DSL net grew globally with 30 million new subscribers over the last year.

"Worldwide, the number of subscriptions has grown amazingly," Mr Greggains, a vice president of the DSL Forum, told BBC News Online.

"By the end of June 2004, there were 78 million subscriptions worldwide.

"At this current growth rate, we confidently expect that around December this year, it will hit 100 million."

Net contradiction

The massive growth in China has partly been down to the growing community of online gamers, but also because the authorities have pushed towards using broadband in education.

"Video over DSL is a very big hit and the vast majority is local content for entertainment and education," said Mr Greggains.

"Another thing which is big is interactive learning, group learning where kids will get together and do homework jointly using the internet."


Where you have very dense populations in blocks, it is relatively cheap to provide

David Greggains, DSL Forum
Just as in South Korea, gaming and gambling is also big, particuarly interactive multiplayer games.

But there is still a long way to go, said Mr Greggains, until China matches South Korea's broadband penetration. There, 29% of all phone lines carry broadband net.

Although China has more DSL lines than any other country it is still only reached 1% of its massive population.

China's rate of growth is set to pass 20 million subscribers by the end of the year, though.

Ironically, China is believed to extend greater censorship over the net than any other country in the world.

Recent legislation required that all 110,000 net cafes in the country use software to control access to websites considered harmful or subversive.

In June, the Chinese authorities also set up a committee to oversee and ban imported games that "could threaten national unity".

But like many countries, explained Mr Greggains, China believes ubiquitous high-speed net access will drive the economy.

High-rise advantage

Locally-developed content, building on the skills of a computer-literate population, is seen as vital to growth.

Installing the DSL infrastructure and equipment required has proved to be economic in China because of the size of its population, as well as the geography of the state and how housing is organised.


Broadband net access is seen as a vital building block
In many areas, phone lines are being installed from scratch, so it is easier to make them DSL enabled from the start, said Mr Greggains.

"People tend to live in large blocks of flats, so it is relatively easy to put DSL provision in basements.

"Where you have very dense populations in blocks, it is relatively cheap to provide," he explained.

In countries with older phone infrastructure, like the UK, many areas have had to wait until their phone exchanges have been upgraded in order to carry broadband.

Typically, Chinese DSL is eight times faster than in the UK, which usually varies from 512Kbps to 1mbps.

But because metropolitan areas in China tend to be densely populated, even faster technology can provide broadband 40 times faster.

This is because the lines only need to travel relatively short distances from basements to service hundreds in a block of flats.

Global spurt

The global growth of DSL has been "truly exponential", said Mr Greggains. Four years ago, there were about one million subscribers, and that is approaching 100 million, he added.

Driving the take-up is the demand for video, online gaming, peer-to-peer file-swapping, and other multimedia activities.

"Everyone is hungry for better and more content," explained Mr Greggains.

"In the UK and Europe, it is very much about net access, while in the Far East, there is a phenomenal amount of gaming and video on demand."

DSL is the most common way to access the net and uses standard copper phone lines. Only in the USA is high-speed net through cable modems dominant.

There are many flavours of DSL, but the UK predominantly uses ADSL - Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by yanni

Yea, I know what you mean. That's the reason why I don't dabble in the Japanese, Chinese or Arabic names.

Plus the Greek domain market will probably take a looong time to mature.

Well, I only dabble in languages that I don't understand. Although it has its problems, I think sometimes it makes you more objective. It certainly increases your scope if you can free yourself from the shackles of familiarity. I think the total number of languages we are into in some way now is about 20!

[Giant]

Originally Posted by Dwrixon

Well, I only dabble in languages that I don't understand. Although it has its problems, I think sometimes it makes you more objective. It certainly increases your scope if you can free yourself from the shackles of familiarity. I think the total number of languages we are into in some way now is about 20!

Your brain power is amazing Dave, mine is slowing down a lot now.