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Business Web sites using IDNs NOW

I've been searching for businesses using IDN now. Not Web site parking or "for sale" notices, but actual, live, real businesses using IDN to sell books, to advertise massages, or to book appointments for dog grooming.

If possible, please give me examples in both Asian and European languages.
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I'm asking for help in locating these sites.

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Well if you give this amateur some local keywords to play with, I will see what I can do?
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Re: Business Web sites using IDNs NOW

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I've been searching for businesses using IDN now. Not Web site parking or "for sale" notices, but actual, live, real businesses using IDN to sell books, to advertise massages, or to book appointments for dog grooming.

If possible, please give me examples in both Asian and European languages.
I have encountered a few while looking what was being done with such and such keyword domains, but I didn't bookmark them. In all cases, they were redirected to the main ascii site.

BTW, I own a .jp domain for animal grooming: トリミング.jp Very nice bids on that keyword, but not so high OVT. I will be putting up a ministe soon. Also considering offers from interested parties.

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Re: Business Web sites using IDNs NOW

Thank you. Groceries, local culture, marriage counseling

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Could you be a bit more specific and specify a language? If it French perhaps you can just give me the keywords right off?

Also can we make that just single keywords?
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Re: Business Web sites using IDNs NOW

Yes, I have seen a couple that redirect to the ASCII site, but I'm particularly interested in sites that aren't afraid to use the straight-up IDN without any apologies.

Why are companies hesitating to use IDN? Is there something at play beyond the lingering problem of IE6?

Is it partially because Asians must use two writing systems, i.e. the IDN prefix and then the latin ".com" suffix?

Anyway, I'm hoping that you can direct my attention to some real IDN business sites. Thanks for your help with this.

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I have encountered a few while looking what was being done with such and such keyword domains, but I didn't bookmark them. In all cases, they were redirected to the main ascii site.

BTW, I own a .jp domain for animal grooming: トリミング.jp Very nice bids on that keyword, but not so high OVT. I will be putting up a ministe soon. Also considering offers from interested parties.

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I wasn't really trying to narrow it down to French or any specific language, although it would be awesome if you could find a couple of French IDN business sites. I wasn't really that optimistic. But anyway here are a few keywords for French:

Femme
Assurance
Camion
Entreprise
Affaires
Achat
Politique
Histoire
Sexuel


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Could you be a bit more specific and specify a language? If it French perhaps you can just give me the keywords right off?

Also can we make that just single keywords?

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Yes, I have seen a couple that redirect to the ASCII site, but I'm particularly interested in sites that aren't afraid to use the straight-up IDN without any apologies.

Why are companies hesitating to use IDN? Is there something at play beyond the lingering problem of IE6?

Is it partially because Asians must use two writing systems, i.e. the IDN prefix and then the latin ".com" suffix?

Anyway, I'm hoping that you can direct my attention to some real IDN business sites. Thanks for your help with this.
It is happening. When I did this excercise a month or two back there were already hundreds in simplified Chinese and dozens in both Japanese and Russian.

I haven't done any serious research on Europe. The biggest problem is with Latin is that people can get by without. The French particularly never use accents with Capitalisation, so they can function without them. Once you get into Western Slavic Languages it is a bit different, as the accented letters are often considered as separate letters. Some of them have completely different sounds. On official documents, it is considered a serious error if the accents are not correctly shown.

When it comes to Chinese, it is a complete sea change between Pinyin and real Chinese Characters. IDN change everything. It is not Window dressing. It makes the Internet navigable, which to date it has never been. Japanese people don't type-in latin domains. They don't type-in period. Rather than type Latin, they simply search and bookmark. They never Type into the address bar!

Some Results triggered by Keyword Femme:

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http://xn--avenuedesbbs-kebb.com/
http://www.xn--indpendants-dbb.com/
http://www.xn--strilite-c1a.com/
http://www.xn--lkaricin-i1a.com/sortie_cinema.htm
http://www.esanté.net
http://www.xn--amiti-fsa.net/belle_amitie.html

IDN Sites

http://www.xn--cadeaux-nol-8bb.com/
http://www.xn--hypermarchs-kbb.ch/sh...t.html&lang=fr
http://www.xn--medicinaesttica-lnb.n...fsao_paulo.htm
http://xn--ma-uja.com/4.html
http://www.xn--maisonsetcts-leb6m.com/
http://www.xn--hlium-bsa.ch/tshirts.htm

Results Triggered by Keyword Assurance:

URL Forwarding:

http://www.xn--mcaweb-bva.com/



IDN Websites:

http://www.xn--levages-9xa.ch/
http://www.xn--touslescrdits-jhb.com/
http://www.xn--ccile-inmuebles-bnb.c...e-voyages.html
http://www.xn--cova-fleet-d7a.com/site/main/accueil.htm
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Re: Business Web sites using IDNs NOW

Thanks for your help. I wonder if there are already some threads on this topic that I missed?

I have actually consulted the "Académie Française" (academie-francaise.fr), which is the official authority on French grammar (the English language has no equivalent authority). Actually, even capitalized letters should have the accent. However, you are correct in saying that it is very common for people to break this rule and leave off the accents when capitalizing.

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It is happening. When I did this excercise a month or two back there were already hundreds in simplified Chinese and dozens in both Japanese and Russian.

I haven't done any serious research on Europe. The biggest problem is with Latin is that people can get by without. The French particularly never use accents with Capitalisation, so they can function without them. Once you get into Western Slavic Languages it is a bit different, as the accented letters are often considered as separate letters. Some of them have completely different sounds. On official documents, it is considered a serious error if the accents are not correctly shown.

When it comes to Chinese, it is a complete sea change between Pinyin and real Chinese Characters. IDN change everything. It is not Window dressing. It makes the Internet navigable, which to date it has never been. Japanese people don't type-in latin domains. They don't type-in period. Rather than type Latin, they simply search and bookmark. They never Type into the address bar!
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Results trigger by keyword Camion:


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IDN Sites:

http://www.xn--interenchres-5db.net/
http://www.xn--les-dmnageurs-fhbb.com/
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Re: Business Web sites using IDNs NOW

Thank you! Do you have a trick? It seems these are usually buried so deep in the Google results... How do you find them?


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It is happening. When I did this excercise a month or two back there were already hundreds in simplified Chinese and dozens in both Japanese and Russian.

I haven't done any serious research on Europe. The biggest problem is with Latin is that people can get by without. The French particularly never use accents with Capitalisation, so they can function without them. Once you get into Western Slavic Languages it is a bit different, as the accented letters are often considered as separate letters. Some of them have completely different sounds. On official documents, it is considered a serious error if the accents are not correctly shown.

When it comes to Chinese, it is a complete sea change between Pinyin and real Chinese Characters. IDN change everything. It is not Window dressing. It makes the Internet navigable, which to date it has never been. Japanese people don't type-in latin domains. They don't type-in period. Rather than type Latin, they simply search and bookmark. They never Type into the address bar!

Some Results triggered by Keyword Femme:

URL Forwarding Only

http://xn--avenuedesbbs-kebb.com/
http://www.xn--indpendants-dbb.com/
http://www.xn--strilite-c1a.com/
http://www.xn--lkaricin-i1a.com/sortie_cinema.htm
http://www.esanté.net
http://www.xn--amiti-fsa.net/belle_amitie.html

IDN Sites

http://www.xn--cadeaux-nol-8bb.com/
http://www.xn--hypermarchs-kbb.ch/sh...t.html&lang=fr
http://www.xn--medicinaesttica-lnb.n...fsao_paulo.htm
http://xn--ma-uja.com/4.html
http://www.xn--maisonsetcts-leb6m.com/
http://www.xn--hlium-bsa.ch/tshirts.htm

Results Triggered by Keyword Assurance:

URL Forwarding:

http://www.xn--mcaweb-bva.com/



IDN Websites:

http://www.xn--levages-9xa.ch/
http://www.xn--touslescrdits-jhb.com/
http://www.xn--ccile-inmuebles-bnb.c...e-voyages.html
http://www.xn--cova-fleet-d7a.com/site/main/accueil.htm
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Thanks for your help. I wonder if there are already some threads on this topic that I missed?

I have actually consulted the "Académie Française" (academie-francaise.fr), which is the official authority on French grammar (the English language has no equivalent authority). Actually, even capitalized letters should have the accent. However, you are correct in saying that it is very common for people to break this rule and leave off the accents when capitalizing.
I guess I am one of the few people here that has actually been in the Academie Francais.
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RD is a pro at this. He picked up some sites of mine last time that even I forgot about... LOL.
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I have encountered a few while looking what was being done with such and such keyword domains, but I didn't bookmark them. In all cases, they were redirected to the main ascii site.

BTW, I own a .jp domain for animal grooming: トリミング.jp Very nice bids on that keyword, but not so high OVT. I will be putting up a ministe soon. Also considering offers from interested parties.

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If you have at least 3 pages. We should link up one or two of my related sites to it. PM when you are done.
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Results trigger by keyword Entreprise:

Url Forwarding:
http://www.xn--nouveauxmdia-jeb.com/




IDN Sites:

http://www.xn--pltre-4qa.com/platre/
http://www.xn--kniger-trocknung-mwb..../francais.html
http://www.xn--vranda-bva.ch/index.htm
http://www.xn--einstellgerte-lfb.com/cms/fr/101/
http://www.xn--rmy-cointreau-bhb.net/
http://www.xn--interenchres-5db.net/..._ventes_vh.php

Actually, I am getting bored with this. Bloody French sites don't let you back arrow out of them back to Yahoo, so it is a bit of a pain.

There are plenty of IDN sites appear in French though. Perhaps more than I thought.

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Thank you! Do you have a trick? It seems these are usually buried so deep in the Google results... How do you find them?
No big tricks.

Use Yahoo Advance Search. Google is no good as it doesn't work the same way.

Search on XN in the URL only.

Bung in a few refinements, like putting in keywords as extra search terms, or the standard abbreviations for company in the local language or even the word English, as only big sites have translated pages, then check the language you want to search and away you go!
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I guess I am one of the few people here that has actually been in the Academie Francais.
They won't let you come in in the future:

Académie Française, lol !

Thx for le tips
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They won't let you come in in the future:

Académie Française, lol !

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Actually strangley enough French is the only language that I am quite familar with. I actually spent a lot of time in French speaking countries, and was verbally very good at one time although I getting a bit rusty.

Oddly, we never thought to do French. We started in the Far East and worked back over. Consequently, I only have a handful.
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Fortunatly for french !

Thanks to let us some keywords !!!
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Re: Business Web sites using IDNs NOW

Thank you very much for this information.

A question about the differences between Yahoo! and Google. If Google sees a domain such as Sénégal.com as referring to "Sénégal", and Yahoo! sees this domain as referring to "xn--sngal-bsab", it would seem that Google will give my site the ranking it deserves (assuming good content + links), wheras the site will be relegated to the oddities collection on Yahoo!. Is this correct?

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Use Yahoo Advance Search. Google is no good as it doesn't work the same way.

Search on XN in the URL only.
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