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Old 21st May 2007, 05:19 PM
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Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

Please, try to help each other; i can't belive there is nobody speaking chinese here-so what is the reason to not help with translation?
I repost:
果蔬汁.com
瓶装水.com
软饮料.cn
Registered over the weekend. There seems to be so many good keywords left but I am not sure if my translation is correct. I'll stick to spanish/portuguese however (I already started to develop a few sites, insurance related as I have many insurance keywords, in ascii and idn) but I'd like to hedge a bit, getting some cn or jp names. I am not so convinced about the future of .coms in china or japan but I'll get some of those as well to be covered-and they are cheap too. I think I am done with new reg and will concentrate on legal/admin/dev issues at this point; I will occasionally pick one or two here and there for sure but I think I am all set in general.
So, two things, if anybody can help:
-soft drink or soft drinks?
- I just registered it last weekend and I keep getting hits from jprs.co.jp. Why jp? Is this not chinese?
Thanks in advance for help with the names above.
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Thefab is right.
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Old 21st May 2007, 05:36 PM
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

Thanks a lot.
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Old 21st May 2007, 06:57 PM
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Hi tgtbtu2,

A couple of comments, that I hope are useful...

Firstly Fab is correct - there are no plurals in Chinese (plurals are done by adding the number to the front e.g. 1 "measure word" fruit juice or 1 "bottle" fruit juice, 2 "bottle" fruit juice, 3 "bottle" fruit juice or 1 "can" coke etc. etc.)

果蔬汁.com Fruit vegetable juice (should be in different order really as 蔬果汁.com - namely vegetable fruit juice to be more correct, but is basically understandable as English style Chinese - note that it uses traditional characters for HK & Taiwan use only)

瓶装水.com Bottled water (is correct - uses traditional characters for HK & Taiwan use only - so I am glad that you registered this one as a .com and not a .cn - well done !!!)

软饮料.cn Soft soft drinks (soft drink(s) should be 软料.cn - this is soft soft drinks where 2nd character literally means soft as in reverse of hard - uses traditional characters for HK & Taiwan only - really is a little strange for a .cn to use non-simplified characters, as is the mix of characters being a little strange)

The 2nd one is useful (30% success if you want 100% correct names - 50/50 if you are ok with errors) - the other two only semi useful as in a sense the spelling is incorrect and you are looking for a spelling error for them to become useful / be used by someone.

However I suggest that it really is time for you to get a Chinese partner - wink...

Hope comments are useful...

Cheers, Asiaplay

PS: please do not take comments on Chinese partner negatively... as virtually everyone in the forums is making the same mistakes with thinking Chinese or any other Asian language can be translated using an online translation software... it really can't yet... not yet!!!
(and so far google translation is the best substitute for not using a real life translator I have seen... but still not good enough )

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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

Thanks for the comments.
What about this:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...A5%AE%E6%96%99
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

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Please, try to help each other; i can't belive there is nobody speaking chinese here-so what is the reason to not help with translation?
Because translations costs $$ and nobody wants to do it for free. Helping others can also be detrimental to your own interest. Why do you think so few domains in the appraisal section get appraised? Don't be naïve.
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Old 22nd May 2007, 12:44 AM
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

I am far from being naive. But I would always help somebody in a place I belong to. That's may be a lesson you still need to get-be generous and you'll get back tenfold in kind. You can't have it all-and if some of you live in the world of their egos-and I know exactly who does-it's their problem and I don't care how they live.
As you recall, I was already banned from this forums for two weeks just for saying "thank God I am not @#$%^". So, I am not being naive as to who I am dealing with. But if somebody asks for something, always give. Trust me, it works wonders.
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

There are a few reasons to help: To boost your own ego. To promote yourself. Establish credibility.

However, all of that goes out the window if your help can be used in a competitive way against you.

This IDN party is not a charity concert. People are competing for the same names.

You can't have it all? Sure you can. If you get in early in the game, you can certainly have it all. And some do. The rest can eat cake!

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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

What racism, buddy? I can be pretty rude too; don't tempt me.

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There are a few reasons to help:

1. To boost your own ego.
2. To promote yourself.
3. Establish credibility.

However, all of that goes out the window if your help can be used in a competitive way against you.

This IDN party is not a charity concert. People are competing for the same names.

You can't have it all? Sure you can. If you get in early in the game, you can certainly have it all. And some do. The rest can eat cake!

All those above are wrong reasons. If memebrs are not going to help each other-within reason-then this is not a place to be. It will simply have no credibility and all that our "senior members" (and junior ones too)would be saying, would be just perceived as marketing, self-promotion and, sometimes even misleading crap.
Do you want to be in a place like that?

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Do you want to be in a place like that?
Welcome to the internet.
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Old 22nd May 2007, 07:39 AM
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Hi Guys,

I feel I have to comment on this - as one person being called naive in essence is calling anyone who supplies more than a dumb answer as also being naive!!!

I understand the point - but not all people in these forums are in the IDN trading business (nor want to be)... which I know is hard for some of you to understand.

In my own case my interest is in specific IDNs for my own personal project use - namely my business is running online shop(s) and an IDN is purely to support this.
I am in marketing - you are in trading (damn sounds like a good match to me!)

Saying this... I will not be openly telling everyone what I am looking for so it can be bought up and sold to me at a premium.
However I am also happy to offer advice / experience and comments on domains to who-ever is polite and friendly (and thinks that my comments are worth anything... and have no problem if you think they are crap either - smile).

So, yes - this could be considered naive, however to me it is business focus... and basically I am in the marketing and not the IDN field and the type of guy you guys need to attract more if you ever want to IDNs to become famous.
You are at last getting a new breed of people in the forum - who's key business is marketing and not trading (I would call this a turning of the corner if I was you and work together a little more).

However I am beginning to see that people in here can be not too helpful (and over-competitive somehow - in the fact that my question on SEO has been so nicely overlooked by all the SEO gurus who are here - no one has even been nice enough to comment via PM to me yet!!!)
However tgtbtu2 has already purchased these - what harm is it to tell him if what he has is correct and opinions if he asks.

Also I am happy to do this to anyone of you when you ask (I am not appraising the value - just commenting on the correctness of translation... to be honest you guys are the experts on the former). I am also not a total expert and you have to take this into account (however I am 1000 times more of an expert than most of you with Chinese & have fluent speaking friends of Korean who I can ask comments from etc. etc. - so perhaps someone being naive has actually gained some benefit).

However - I do agree with tgtbtu2 - why not share when you can sometimes.
If you see it as a commercial issue - be nice and PM sometimes rather than opening answer in the forums.

Just an idea - but you guys working together might actually help IDNs as a whole.

Just some comments... cheers, Asiaplay...

<--- naive guy crawls back under his rock...
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What is the mess here?
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

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Hi Guys,

I feel I have to comment on this.

I think you will find out that IDNs are the most secretive aspect of domaining and even web development.

Before Olney started this forum, there was virtually nothing spoken about it - try searching IDN on namepros and dnforum, you'll be surprised how secretive people are on idns from 2003-2005. Only Olney was generous enough to share the info.

The reality is that the only way to research about idns is to check through the entire history of idnf, go through the posts, gather bits and pieces of information people leak out and form an entire picture.
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

Also sometimes not everyone gets a chance to look at all posts.
With AsiaPlay I actually can't remember seeing any of his SEO related posts (might have glanced but can't remember all of them now)

But sometimes PMing specific questions after a while to people you feel familiar with works well.

There's a few members who are here from other various forums, & sometimes here is not the main forum for their business, especially those in SEO, development etc...
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Old 22nd May 2007, 07:57 AM
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

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However - I do agree with tgtbtu2 - why not share when you can sometimes.
If you see it as a commercial issue - be nice and PM sometimes rather than opening answer in the forums.

Careful on that, you should check what tgtbtu2 said that caused the commotion.
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Hi Again,

I agree Olney has been very helpful to us all - and I for one appreciate answers he has given me to PMs I have given him (and also for creating this forum and running it in an exceptionally professional manor).

Thanks Olney... really mean this.

Please note that I am not offended at all - frank exchange is good sometimes.

I however also think that sometimes people working together can help the overall IDN community and to date I have found people in here very helpful, friendly, humorous, resourceful and a great help!

This forum is great and we all owe Olney a big thanks for helping to make IDNs understood better by the world at large.

Cheers & just comments all (no worries) - thanks again, Asiaplay.
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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

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Careful on that, you should check what tgtbtu2 said that caused the commotion.
You mean, what I said about @#$%^&? I just said, "thanks God I am not @#$%^&"". I think, you are raising a good point. People should know who said and done what in order to judge correctly. Now had I said "Thank God, I am not British" I doubt, I'd be banned. It occurs to me that you are being hypocritical here.
But have no worry; I now say either good or nothing of @#$%^& on this forum.
You started this commotion again; some oversensitive folks even called me racist for typing "@#$%^&". You people are very sick, really.

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I understand the point - but not all people in these forums are in the IDN trading business (nor want to be)... which I know is hard for some of you to understand.

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It's not hard to understand; Very few people here are in "idn trading business"-I am certainly not one of them. I personally never sold/traded domains and don't intend to (at least for now). may be it's because I have the money to renew for another 50 years so I am not overstretched - and I have a substantial number of domains.
Overall, it's a good place to learn... Kind of like life-all sort of characters but mostly well-meaning. And of others, I say nothing.

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Re: Any people who speak chinese on these forums?

It has nothing to do with Anglos - by the way, they are the minority on this forum.

Language and people are two different thing.

The people here are generally quite international, they live or used to work in different countries, so people here are very sensitive to this kind of talking. Even a hint is not acceptable.
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