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Old 12th June 2007, 09:12 AM
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Could this be the End for Microsoft?

If Safari gets onto every PC, then the potential for Apple to drive the wedge deeper is enormous.

Once Apple has people using Safari, it is a small step to get them to upgrade to OSX or even a MAC.

Safari is likely to be popular amongst the iPOD users, who could well start to live an Apple integrated lifestyle.

My guess is that Microsoft are not going to delay IE7 Auto Updates much longer. If they do I think we are going to have to have to declare them Brain Dead.
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

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If Safari gets onto every PC, then the potential for Apple to drive the wedge deeper is enormous.

Once Apple has people using Safari, it is a small step to get them to upgrade to OSX or even a MAC.

Safari is likely to be popular amongst the iPOD users, who could well start to live an Apple integrated lifestyle.

My guess is that Microsoft are not going to delay IE7 Auto Updates much longer. If they do I think we are going to have to have to declare them Brain Dead.

The Safari product manager is heavily invested in IDNs, what do you think? :-) He wins either way...

Actually, I have seen some *very* choice IDNs registered with apple.com email addresses, reg dates back in 2000.

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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...00003-cnet-sci
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

wishful thinking. i'd be surprised if it makes a dent though maybe if yahoo promotes it actively for them they might get decent share.
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

This is all over the Japanese Internet. This might actually be the single biggest story that has ever been posted on this forum.

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=ja&...A4%9C%E7%B4%A2

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=ja&...ncl=1106317458

If Microsoft don't get their finger out of their butt and get out IE7, they will be toast.

This is one of the biggest development since Google launched a search engine in terms of competition. Apple moving across platforms with a free browser is a major threat. It will introduce millions of people to the Apple's magic kingdom. This could break the whole idea about about PC being an IBM compatible thing, or that Microsoft does the OS's for PCs.

Microsoft cannot afford not to respond to this threat. Apple have clearly identified the PCs weakness as its OS provider. This is shaping up to be a battle of the Titans.
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

all over the internet? it's a news blip. yawn.
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I doubt that even in Redmont they are able to display that level of complacency.
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

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I doubt that even in Redmont they are able to display that level of complacency.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

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Gandhi was fortunate enough to be dealing with unassailable arrogance.

The parallels are uncanny.


The Paradigm that the IBM compatible is the machine of business and that Microsoft do the software is about to be smashed apart.

This is just one aspect of a growing scenario. The arena is turning into a battlefield.

The good news is that both sides will be firing our Ammo.
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

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Gandhi was fortunate enough to be dealing with unassailable arrogance.

The parallels are uncanny.


The Paradigm that the IBM compatible is the machine of business and that Microsoft do the software is about to be smashed apart.

This is just one aspect of a growing scenario. The arena is turning into a battlefield.

The good news is that both sides will be firing our Ammo.
Just installed the Windows beta, and it looks awesome. The best news is you type any keyword, including unicode, and it sends you to the .com site. FS is already talking about promoting Safari across his site network. I think everyone should do the same.
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

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I doubt that even in Redmont they are able to display that level of complacency.
very well, we shall sit back and wait for the revolution to unfold before us.

like you say, either way, we win. IDNs are almost a perfect hedge for my microsoft stock!
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

It is pretty awesome and yes there may be a few bugs, but it is a Beta.

Microsoft have always been in a very strong position, and the web browsing side of things was allowed to drift because it didn't generate any cashflow.

The reason that the browser wars have broken out is that they are seen as the key to everything else. The real prizes are of course the PC sales, the OS sales and the Search Advertising Markets, not necessarily in that order.

What all the major players are waking up to is that control of the cashless Browser Market is the key to everything else. This is why Google is aligned with Mozilla and why Safari must be Windows based. It is now only a matter of time before Opera is taken over by one of the big players.

The rumours about takeovers are now also rife. It would seem that Yahoo is likely to be a Microsoft target, as it needs a credible Search Engine. There is also a lot of speculation on whether Google and Apple with merge. Anything is possible except a truce between Microsoft, and either Google or Apple.
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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

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It is pretty awesome and yes there may be a few bugs, but it is a Beta.

Microsoft have always been in a very strong position, and the web browsing side of things was allowed to drift because it didn't generate any cashflow.

The reason that the browser wars have broken out is that they are seen as the key to everything else. The real prizes are of course the PC sales, the OS sales and the Search Advertising Markets, not necessarily in that order.

What all the major players are waking up to is that control of the cashless Browser Market is the key to everything else. This is why Google is aligned with Mozilla and why Safari must be Windows based. It is now only a matter of time before Opera is taken over by one of the big players.

The rumours about takeovers are now also rife. It would seem that Yahoo is likely to be a Microsoft target, as it needs a credible Search Engine. There is also a lot of speculation on whether Google and Apple with merge. Anything is possible except a truce between Microsoft, and either Google or Apple.
No cashflow? Do you know how much address bar misdirect traffic M$oft "eats"?
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No cashflow? Do you know how much address bar misdirect traffic M$oft "eats"?
Yes, now they are. But if they had woken up to this a few years back then Google would not be in anything like as powerful a position.

This is just belated mean greediness. They totally lost the plot in the main game.
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The rumours about takeovers are now also rife. It would seem that Yahoo is likely to be a Microsoft target, as it needs a credible Search Engine. There is also a lot of speculation on whether Google and Apple with merge. Anything is possible except a truce between Microsoft, and either Google or Apple.
I've been hoping for Google to do a hostile takeover of Microsoft, then pull an Ellison and just shut them down for good. At first, it seemed pretty far fetched, but over time this has started to seem closer and closer to reality.

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Re: Could this be the End for Microsoft?

The same anti-trust mechanism that broke microsoft's back will break google, were it ever to try to acquire microsoft. besides why would they want to? the world is their oyster right now.

what i am excited about though is the iphone. it looks awesome.

an apple browser that runs on windows will only taint their "virus-free" brand.
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I've been hoping for Google to do a hostile takeover of Microsoft, then pull an Ellison and just shut them down for good. At first, it seemed pretty far fetched, but over time this has started to seem closer and closer to reality.

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I think it is far fetched in as much as M$ probably don't actually have anything Google need!

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all over the internet? it's a news blip. yawn.
You think?

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&...ncl=1117185358

Everyone is on this now!
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The same anti-trust mechanism that broke microsoft's back will break google, were it ever to try to acquire microsoft. besides why would they want to? the world is their oyster right now.

what i am excited about though is the iphone. it looks awesome.

an apple browser that runs on windows will only taint their "virus-free" brand.
interesting point, and a gamble for sure. Will Apple taint their image by putting stuff onto Windows? Don't know. All I do know is the browser looks great and if you type a keyword into it, Safari redirects you to the .com. Domain owners really don't want to know much more than that
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The same anti-trust mechanism that broke microsoft's back will break google, were it ever to try to acquire microsoft.
Speaking of the anti-trust settlement, Google is taking Microsoft to court over that now:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...0_FORTUNE5.htm


Seems MS built a few replacement features into Vista to lock out the Google Desktop Search... The Google - MS war will be much, much bloodier than the Netscape - MS war was.

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Speaking of the anti-trust settlement, Google is taking Microsoft to court over that now:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...0_FORTUNE5.htm


Seems MS built a few replacement features into Vista to lock out the Google Desktop Search... The Google - MS war will be much, much bloodier than the Netscape - MS war was.

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That's 'cos Netscape never had any money
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