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Old 14th June 2007, 08:47 PM
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Is this a valid reciprocal link?

Hi guys,
I am relatively new to this space and I was wondering if you could help me decipher if the below link I exchanged with a webhosting company will be counted as a valid inbound link. The reason I ask is that it clearly doesn't look like a conventional link.

Thank you in advance for the advice.

http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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Hi guys,
I am relatively new to this space and I was wondering if you could help me decipher if the below link I exchanged with a webhosting company will be counted as a valid inbound link. The reason I ask is that it clearly doesn't look like a conventional link.

Thank you in advance for the advice.

http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/

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Old 14th June 2007, 09:04 PM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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Hi guys,
I am relatively new to this space and I was wondering if you could help me decipher if the below link I exchanged with a webhosting company will be counted as a valid inbound link. The reason I ask is that it clearly doesn't look like a conventional link.

Thank you in advance for the advice.

http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/
pretty much your ascii site exchanged links with an "xn--" site


Yes it is a conventional link. It is an IDN which allows hundreds of languages to use their language in a domain name. It is punycode representing the actual language characters.
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Old 15th June 2007, 12:33 AM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

Thanks IDN Cowboy!
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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pretty much your ascii site exchanged links with an "xn--" site


Yes it is a conventional link. It is an IDN which allows hundreds of languages to use their language in a domain name. It is punycode representing the actual language characters.
Actually IDN Cowboy - his site is not the ASCII site, his is the IDN site. He is asking whether or not the ASCII site is linking properly in to his IDN site for SEO purposes because if you look at the code it isn't what you usually see. He wants to make sure this is not some kind of script or database linking method that does not allow him to receive credit from google for an inbound link.
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Old 15th June 2007, 02:33 AM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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Old 15th June 2007, 03:44 AM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

never mind...jeez you guys are jumpy. :o
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Old 15th June 2007, 04:47 AM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

I know bg_idn. He is good people. So could someone please be kind enough to answer his question. I'm curious to find out myself. Thx
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Old 15th June 2007, 04:54 AM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

It's a redirect, the final idn site has no PR, it's a useless inbound link.

btw, that idn is a typo of some sort? Check the whois - it's by godaddy! :o

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Sounds a translation from native.

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Old 15th June 2007, 05:24 AM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

OK - thanks for trying touchring. I think you misunderstood the question too. I will try to explain it more simply for everyone.

bg_idn owns an idn site (not a typo btw) which is the "final idn site without PR" you are referring to. He solicited and received a link from a website in the same industry as the IDN domain called "webreality.org". When he checked webreality's website to look at the link to his page he found this code:

http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/

bg_idn's question is does his IDN site (which is the destination site in this link above) receive credit from webreality's link to his site because the code above is not the usual html for linking.

Anyone?

Oh and "he is good people" is a bizarre english colloquialism - said commonly by americans.
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Old 15th June 2007, 06:16 AM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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bg_idn owns an idn site (not a typo btw) which is the "final idn site without PR" you are referring to. He solicited and received a link from a website in the same industry as the IDN domain called "webreality.org". When he checked webreality's website to look at the link to his page he found this code:

http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/

He got short changed. It is widely believed that outbound links will make a page lose PR, by creating that dynamic link, that link is useless.
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Question Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

Hi - interesting question actually - I wish one of the SEO experts here would answer this.

Short answer is I am not 100% sure...

I see that the link is posted on a dynamic page http://webreality.org/component/opti...,17/Itemid,23/

But it appears that the characters used are different - on his website it shows as " уебхостинг.com" & on their site as "Уебхостинг.com" (the FF page "find" does not show these two as the same - is that due to the font used or?... as they look the same to me when cut and pasted here).
However viewing the page source I notice that "уебхостинг.com" is there... "<a href="http://webreality.org/component/option,com_weblinks/task,view/catid,17/id,1/" target="_blank" class="category">Уебхостинг.com</a>"

However interesting running Search Engine Simulator on this page - as it does not seem to see "уебхостинг.com" (and http://xn--90aeenzeview.com/ is not in the view source either)
http://www.webconfs.com/search-engin...-simulator.php on this link page http://webreality.org/component/opti...,17/Itemid,23/
Namely what appears to be referenced is just "http://webreality.org/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,17/Itemid,23/" and therefore the SE spiders are perhaps not even seeing your link at all.

Good thing is it does not seem to be robots.txt blocked as a page to SE spiders (and site is not in banned list) - but can the spiders read this link (and is this page being included in SE results for the back link to appear - so far the answer is no (as no back links show up for http://xn--90aeenzeview.com/ or уебхостинг.com relating to this site)
... logic therefore is maybe it is not a valid back link - but I am not sure...

Any comments from others.
I am also interested

Cheers - Asiaplay

PS: positive thing is now you I guess will get a back link from this forum
But point raised above is relevant - you need a ranking of above zero (i.e. actually be indexed in a SE for this to be useful...)

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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

Cool - thanks all - esp rhys and asiaplay.

I don't care about getting links from this forum - the forum admin could delete this thread to keep things fair.

I care about getting my question answered and thanks to the forum i did. In all likelihood - the other party's link appears to be useless and i will zap their butt from my site. I'm still pretty high up in google without them
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

I just took a peep at the link & it's useless unless it was a good traffic site that was directly related with your content.
SEO value is none, but don't always look at from the search engines point of view.
If a site can achieve your goal conversions then it's valuable. If it doesn't help you achieve any of that it's useless.
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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I just took a peep at the link & it's useless unless it was a good traffic site that was directly related with your content.
SEO value is none, but don't always look at from the search engines point of view.
If a site can achieve your goal conversions then it's valuable. If it doesn't help you achieve any of that it's useless.

Hi Olney,

I understand what you are saying... agree was not a great link site.

Just clarification - assuming that it was a great website (he had the link on) - can the link done in this dynamic way (way it is at present) actually be indexed by SE spiders?

Just interest one really - thanks, Asiaplay
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Hi Olney,

I understand what you are saying... agree was not a great link site.

Just clarification - assuming that it was a great website (he had the link on) - can the link done in this dynamic way (way it is at present) actually be indexed by SE spiders?

Just interest one really - thanks, Asiaplay

Look at it from the perspective of a search engine:

$ wget http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/
--17:32:03-- http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/
=> `index.html'
Resolving webreality.org... 217.75.128.88
Connecting to webreality.org|217.75.128.88|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://xn--90aeenzeview.com/ [following]
--17:32:04-- http://xn--90aeenzeview.com/
=> `index.html'
Resolving xn--90aeenzeview.com... 68.178.254.208
Connecting to xn--90aeenzeview.com|68.178.254.208|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]

[ <=> ] 14,601 24.25K/s

17:32:06 (24.19 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [14601]


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Old 15th June 2007, 06:37 PM
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Re: Is this a valid reciprocal link?

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Look at it from the perspective of a search engine:

$ wget http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/
--17:32:03-- http://webreality.org/component/opti...catid,17/id,1/
=> `index.html'
Resolving webreality.org... 217.75.128.88
Connecting to webreality.org|217.75.128.88|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://xn--90aeenzeview.com/ [following]
--17:32:04-- http://xn--90aeenzeview.com/
=> `index.html'
Resolving xn--90aeenzeview.com... 68.178.254.208
Connecting to xn--90aeenzeview.com|68.178.254.208|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]

[ <=> ] 14,601 24.25K/s

17:32:06 (24.19 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [14601]


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I take it that SE would not like this sort of thing?
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rhys.... exactly - you are correct...
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