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Old 26th June 2007, 12:54 PM
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Although the web has permeated almost 250 nations, everywhere from Ascension Island to Zimbabwe, the language of online life is by no means as diverse.
Take, for instance, domain names such as www.bbc.co.uk. For a long time only Roman characters could be used in domains even if a nation's native language used none of those letters.

Now international domains are getting more widely used to help people get to grips with the web in their own language.

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China has been at the forefront of the efforts to use international domain names. In 2006 it started seriously promoting three Chinese language domain names: gongsi (.com), wangluo (.net) and zhongguo (China).

"China has a long term vision for the project, they are very persistent and they know what they want," said Subramanian Subbiah, co-founder of I-DNS.net, who has worked with China on the native language domains.

The nation's aims have been boosted by the fact that during 2007 all the most popular web browsers will have support for the Chinese character set built in.

It is keen to drive adoption of the native language domains for very simple reasons, said Mr Subbiah.

"Chinese domain names will controlled by China," he said. "Other domains, like .com, are controlled by other countries and they do not like that."

The project seems to be working, he said, because native language domains are being snapped up three times faster by Chinese people than those using the Roman character set were.

China has even seen the start of cyber-squatting in which speculators buy up domains in the hope that they will prove lucrative in the future.

Research suggests that the names have captured the interest of younger Chinese net users who know few words of English.


This also helps to explain, said Mr Subbiah, why native web businesses such as Baidu are outperforming Western web behemoths such as Google.
"Google means nothing in the Chinese language," he said, "but Baidu does mean something in Chinese characters."

Analysis of who uses Google in China shows if people can spell it they use it. But, he said, the vast majority who can't spell it use the home-grown Baidu.

The success of China's work on international domains has prompted South Korea and many Arabic nations to push on with their own projects to create native language domains.

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International domain names are all about helping one nation's citizens get more out of the web. The flipside of this, and potentially more important goal, is translating what people are saying to make the web a universal medium.

"The great thing about the internet is that it is a great leveller," said Dr Chris Boorman of translation firm SDL.

The common technology of the net, he said, should mean that any firm, be they based in Barnsley or Beijing, has the same chance to win a customer's business no matter where that person lives.

At first, he said, this just meant that Western firms which were quicker to get online could grab customers on other shores.


But increasingly, said Mr Boorman, those native web firms are flexing their muscle, taking on Western rivals and reaching out to new markets.
"Two years ago our China office spent most of its time translating English to Chinese," he said. "Now 50% of its business is Chinese to English."

The web has made everyone realise, said Mr Boorman, that almost all business is global business and that handling that, if only to keep control of brands, advertising and image, will become more important.

Travel firm GTA feels this problem more acutely than most as it operates in about 140 countries. The information it prepares about the villas, hotels and holiday homes it manages for travel firms has to be translated into 27 languages so it reaches as wide an audience as possible.

Every day, said Laurie Myers, a spokesperson for GTA, tens of thousands of words in that corpus of information needs changing and updating.

"It's an enormous volume of translation and text that has to be distributed, corrected and then re-distributed back to our sites," she said.

"Speed is important as well as reach," she said, "but what never seems to change is for the local booker to understand and relate to the text in his own language."

"This is not a matter of expanding," said Ms Myers "it is just about taking care of daily business."

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...gy/6230426.stm
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China has even seen the start of cyber-squatting in which speculators buy up domains in the hope that they will prove lucrative in the future.

This is where I stopped reading, this sort of statement really pisses me off, the absolute stupidity for not recognizing the possible intrinsic value of domain names combined with the statement that a domain investor is by definition a cyber-squatter.. FOR F*CK SAKES GET WITH THE PROGRAMME YOU BBC-FOSSILE !
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

True that line is easily interpreted that way but at least credit to the BBC for seeming to be the only news agency that routinely has IDN on its radar
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

If the editor gets enough complaints about the misuse of the term, they'll note it down to ensure it doesn't happen in the future.
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

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China has even seen the start of cyber-squatting in which speculators buy up domains in the hope that they will prove lucrative in the future.
If it is not worth more than reg fee the second you get it... do you really think it will be worth more in the future?
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

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YOU BBC-FOSSILE !
More like "imbbcile"
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

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If it is not worth more than reg fee the second you get it... do you really think it will be worth more in the future?
Then it would be speculation, but the victims in speculation are mostly the speculators themselves, speculation is harmless as opposed to cyber-squatting...it's just the blunt mixing of those terms that's so annoying.

I regged most of my portfolio for reg-fee and I speculate the value to rise, don't you ?
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The problem lies in that cybersquatting has a legal definition in the United States, and is illegal, whereas people in other countries are not aware of this.
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

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The problem lies in that cybersquatting has a legal definition in the United States, and is illegal, whereas people in other countries are not aware of this.
FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Cybersquatting, according to the United States federal law known as the Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act,
is registering, trafficking in, or using a domain name with bad-faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark
belonging to someone else. The cybersquatter then offers to sell the domain to the person or company who owns
a trademark contained within the name at an inflated price
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The definition of cyber-squatting is fundamental to the WIPO UDRP process. All member countries of WIPO implicitly acknowledge the same definition.
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

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The problem lies in that cybersquatting has a legal definition in the United States, and is illegal, whereas people in other countries are not aware of this.
That's the reason I don't openly discuss my online activities too much, the geek scene doesn't accept it as a respectable form of a trade unless you set up an official business.
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Re: not really news, but here you are anyway...

In China, cybersquatting is not illegal.

The only recourse is to get back your name after spending god knows how much to engage the lawyer and bribe the judges, and even this recourse expires after 2 years.

Registering names of companies, people and even schools is big business in China.

Even Eachnic doesn't own its .cn! :o

Check http://www.eachnic.cn. Redirect to mysina.com, which obviously is not owned by sina.com, a major China portal.

If Google has to spend 1million$ to buy back Google.cn, what recourse does a small guy or company has?

And in a country where people from the poor countryside, from a poor province can be sold for $50, and the police won't act unless there is a bribe, the law might not even guarantee a person owns himself!!

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