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Old 7th July 2007, 12:46 PM
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1. If the price you pay to renew your domain names is broken down to a daily cost (for me, 161 domains x 6.25 / 365 = $2.75 per day), and then you compare that to the average cost of a pack of cigarettes in the U.S. ($3.80), how many packs-a-day domainer are you?

For me, I'm not even a pack-a-day domainer. My domains only cost me the equivalent of three quarters of a pack.

2. In general, how do you rate a CityName.com vs. a CountryName.com? It doesn't really matter if it's ASCII or IDN, as long as both fall into the same category.

Say for example you have a city of one million people, and a country of one million people. Would you rather have the city name or the country name? If you have a preference, what would the respective populations have to be for the two names to be of equal value?

For me, I think I prefer a CountryName.com, so a CityName.com would have to have three times the population for it to equal the value of a country name.
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Old 7th July 2007, 02:44 PM
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I have no idea which is more compelling. But if I were to consider the question, if both City and Country had 1 million people. I believe that City is more valuable if both City and Country had equal business and tourist value to the outside world.

In the Country name you have to assume that outside of Singapore which is a city-state, most countries are broken up between urban and rural populations. Many of those in rural areas are not going to have access to the internet. So let's say that 50% of people live in rural areas. So at a very minimum you would need 2x the population of the CountryName.com to equal the addressable market of the CityName.com.

Now a Country is going to need more infrastructure than a City will so that is a plus towards its value but that still I believe that market size matters more.
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That's a good point. But here is something else to consider: the way people define themselves. For example, if people think of themselves as citizens of their country, and only later consider their residence in a particular city in that country, they would tend to value the name of that country more than the name of the city.

Also, I'm guessing that when foreigners search for information on that area, they will first consider the country name, and only later include the city name in the search.

Okay, now that I actually go to Google Trends to check that last point, I see I may be wrong. "Shanghai", for example, does fairly well when compared against "China".

On the other hand, when it comes to a small country, people will generally only consider the country name, not knowing the city name.

But my first point still stands. Or maybe I'm wrong about that, too. Now that I think about it, if I take myself as an example, even if I think of myself as an American first and foremost, I actually live in this city and in day-to-day life I will refer to activities, news, etc. that relate to this place. Which would tend to underline the importance of City Names.

Anyone have any other idea? As I can see, I'm on all sides of this.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=china...ate=all&sort=0

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I have no idea which is more compelling. But if I were to consider the question, if both City and Country had 1 million people. I believe that City is more valuable if both City and Country had equal business and tourist value to the outside world.

In the Country name you have to assume that outside of Singapore which is a city-state, most countries are broken up between urban and rural populations. Many of those in rural areas are not going to have access to the internet. So let's say that 50% of people live in rural areas. So at a very minimum you would need 2x the population of the CountryName.com to equal the addressable market of the CityName.com.

Now a Country is going to need more infrastructure than a City will so that is a plus towards its value but that still I believe that market size matters more.
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Re: Two discussion starters

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2. In general, how do you rate a CityName.com vs. a CountryName.com? It doesn't really matter if it's ASCII or IDN, as long as both fall into the same category.

Say for example you have a city of one million people, and a country of one million people. Would you rather have the city name or the country name? If you have a preference, what would the respective populations have to be for the two names to be of equal value?

For me, I think I prefer a CountryName.com, so a CityName.com would have to have three times the population for it to equal the value of a country name.
City Names and Country Names are always going to be valuable, that is why you so rarely see them up for sale (in ASCII).
The guys that owns PalmSprings.com reportedly turned down a Million Dollars for the name. Depending on the size and
population and enduser they can range in prices as seen below.

Among ASCII cities most recent there was a small Canadian town (Penticton.com) population 40,000 that sold for $75,000
in March 2007 as listed at DNJournal. At same time an Atlanta suburb (Buckhead.com) sold for $250,000. Nashville.us sold
recently for $32,000 and a year or so back Bogota.com sold for $159,000. Most else were private sales or just not disclosed.
The other big one was Macau.com that I think went for about $ 500,000 but I could not find the listing.
http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/dom...es03-27-07.htm

Among ASCII countries, Uruguay.com sold at $ 175,000 and Paraguay.com sold for $ 150,000 both back in 2005.
http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/dom...es11_29_05.htm

Based on a parallel with ASCII, it seems that all geographic IDNs should do well over the course of time.

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Old 7th July 2007, 06:49 PM
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Re: Two discussion starters

I think city and country names are the safest bet for idns, at least major cities in major languages.

I dare say that even if IDNs do not take off, big city and country names are still worth substantial sums of money, especially for wealthy East Asian cities and country names.

This is the matter of "face".
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