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Old 1st March 2006, 04:27 PM
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Hi, i got this domain

北斗の拳.net (ACE: xn--u9j565hb2khrc.net)
Meaning: Pachislot in Japanese
Overture Japan: 183.000
Google results: 2.900.000

Pachinslot info:
http://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/i...our/index.html
All info would be great, also any help to appraise it.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

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Hi, i got this domain

北斗の拳.net (ACE: xn--u9j565hb2khrc.net)
Meaning: Pachislot in Japanese
Overture Japan: 183.000
Google results: 2.900.000

Pachinslot info:
http://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/i...our/index.html
All info would be great, also any help to appraise it.
It's a Trademarked term and name of a popular anime in Japan. It's sometimes translated as "Fist of the North Star".

See: http://www.universal-music.co.jp/non.../anime/hokuto/

Look at the blocked characters -- look familiar?
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Besides, that, its the name of a kind of Pichinko machine...
i checked on the internet and some gambling sites...

please confirm this to me
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Have you ever seen a Star-trek themed pinball machine?

It's the same thing here. A pachinko machine with a Hokuto no Ken (北斗の拳) theme.

The .com doesn't have much legitimate value and the .net has zero value.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Yes, it has no INHERENT pachinko-related meaning at all, it's just a licensed character that is has been integrated into the artwork and gameboard of a lot of pachinko machines.

Zero value and a very obvious infringement.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Huron,

I third the opinion. I know Fist of the Northstar and it made one kickass pachslot title. I looked into the license myself at one point.

You know I love Pachinko. One big-ass industry. Hard to find one larger in Japan - especially for something so technically illegal.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

This has nothing to do with Pachinko.
It's is really like having a Snoopy Corvett
& Selling Snoopy.com as the translation or a Popular term for car or Corvett.

Absolutely no relation. I read the kanji at first & really wondered "Where did you get Pachinko from"?

First of the North Star? Yeah
Pachinko or Gambling related? No...
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

>especially for something so technically illegal.

I read somewhere that you get given prizes instead of cash and you have to go to another room to exchange them?

Or is that ANOTHER story?
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Nearly correct.

You get given tokens instead of cash. You can either trade them directly for prizes at designated "exchange rates" (limited to what the pachinko parlor has in their prize shop, but some are mini-malls in themselves and are stacked with electrical products, watches, jewellery etc.) or you go "next door" (i.e. down the road, up a dark alley, round the corner, etc.) to a designated place where you trade the tokens for cash. These next door places are generally very tiny, a booth with a screen or curtain over the window on the inside so that you can't see who's serving you. You pass the tokens through a slot, and get handed the cash in return.

Each pachinko parlor has its own specific tokens, and they are designed to be pretty hard to forge. (Many have 2 or even 3 "denominations" of tokens to accommodate various sized payouts, but a big win - of the order of $500-1,000+ - would still mean that you head "next door" with a double fistful of tokens)

The "next door" place trades the tokens at an established "exchange rate", and nowhere else in the world will trade them for anything at all. In other words, it's a totally closed ecosystem.

The exact setup varies a bit, but generally the pachinko parlor is one company, the "next door" exchange is a different ("independent") company, and there is a third equally "independent" company that acts as a wholesaler to buy the tokens back off the next door company and resell them to the pachinko parlor to restock them (and of course to pay off the next door company for the cash they keep handing out).

Pachinko (and pachislot) is if I recall correctly one of the 5 legal forms of gambling in Japan. The others are betting on horses, betting on (licensed and regulated) powerboat races, the various national and regional government-run lotteries, and some kind of betting on football.

Casinos, other types of sports betting and indeed any other type of gambling is banned.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

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Nearly correct.


The exact setup varies a bit, but generally the pachinko parlor is one company, the "next door" exchange is a different ("independent") company, and there is a third equally "independent" company that acts as a wholesaler to buy the tokens back off the next door company and resell them to the pachinko parlor to restock them (and of course to pay off the next door company for the cash they keep handing out).

Pachinko (and pachislot) is if I recall correctly one of the 5 legal forms of gambling in Japan.
To eleaborate even further, Pachinko as pinball with redeemable prizes is legal but illegal as cash gambling. The 2 company setup with the secret little window next door that doles out cash for tokens is the official "workaround" allowing law enforcement to ignore all those pretty blinking lights!

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This has nothing to do with Pachinko.
It's is really like having a Snoopy Corvett
& Selling Snoopy.com as the translation or a Popular term for car or Corvett.

Absolutely no relation. I read the kanji at first & really wondered "Where did you get Pachinko from"?

First of the North Star? Yeah
Pachinko or Gambling related? No...
He isn't entirely wrong. As I said, Fist of the NorthStar was licensed to a pachinko machine maker (Sammy I think) and became one of the most popular Pachislot games in recent years. That probably came up on a google search or something.

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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Thanks to all
today i talked with a japanese friend and the correct term for Pachislo its パチスロ

thanks again
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

So why did you post TODAY on DNForum claiming that 北斗の拳.net meant pachislot when you already know - from us and from your friend - that it doesn't?
http://www.dnforum.com/f298/100-doma...ad-137100.html

It's that kind of misleading representation that is going to give IDNers a bad name!
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

This is a real good reason why I said I wanted to see how you ran your community Huron before I could personally approve your site.
Fist of the North Star DOES NOT EQUAL pachinko.

If you are trying to sell blatant wrong translations how could members trust your community? or even you?

You sell that for $100 then we tell the owner it's the wrong translation & most likely you'll be banned from DNForum. This is the second time isn't it?

This domain, you trying to sell a wrong translation for gay in Japanese, & then selling a TV show without telling the buyer it's a TV show (When you knew this for fact) it gives a person a bad rep. The community is too small & YOU OWN an IDN site.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Who are you trying to fool? I saw that thread myself, and started wondering.

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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Instead of ditching the name and wearing the reg fee, you're trying to sell it to a noob for a profit?

That's REAL NICE.

Not.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

Yes, i just saw it when someone asked for clarification, i thought, wasn't this already sorted out on IDNF? Information travels very fast on IDNF.

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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

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Yes, i just saw it when someone asked for clarification, i thought, wasn't this already sorted out on IDNF?
Same here...

It's nice that there is a sort of peer review here. Keeps things clean.
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

He's at it again!

Today, 03:13 PM
Findacodder:

No, means PACHISLOT
Its a kind of famous anime/or cartoon.
Its related also to Pichislot because theres a famous pichislot machine with the theme of Pachislo
hast over 4 million google results and almos 188k overture.

And some websites translates it like Pichislot, but its not hte common used term
Last edited by Findacodder : Today at 03:14 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost...

Just like those ebay IDNers. "Some websites translates it like Pichislot, but its not hte (sic) common used term"

This guy is up to no good.

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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

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Same here...

It's nice that there is a sort of peer review here. Keeps things clean.
I think all of our sales forums both here and DNForum need to maintain an "obligation to dissent" when there is misrepresentation of a domain name for sale. It may take a while to set up a more formal quality control system, but for the sake of our market, we should always proactively provide guidance on translations and reply publicly to the poster. Not to be police, necessarily because most of us may do it out of negligence or familiarity with nuances of language. But just to make sure that the reputation of IDNs does not go down the drain with some of these kind of incidents.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Gambling in Japan: Good or no?

I agree. It's especially troubling when these posters receive input here at IDNForums about their domains but ignore it in their sale thread. This is not the way to get more people interested.

Lack of due diligence by the buyer is one thing, misrepresentation by the seller is another.
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