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Old 4th August 2007, 08:15 AM
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Anyone up for a gamble?

I'm bored with this fruitless discussion. This sale is now over.
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

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Apparently beating up on the leader is much more fun than taking Edwin's offer seriously. Which only goes to prove my initial point: Nobody wants his junk list, not for $1,500, and probably not for $15.
You sellin your list now for $15? That's a big drop..
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

I'm bored with this fruitless discussion. This sale is now over.
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

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Well, it's not sold yet. And the more I glance at it, the more I'm in two minds about it. I may just pull it in a few days and push my IDN total towards 2,500

That way, I can come back and post what I took - I believe there will be sore foreheads from all the slapping afterwards.
What price is your whole portfolio up to?
Any bites from big corps on single names?
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

I'm bored with this fruitless discussion. This sale is now over.
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

I'm bored with this fruitless discussion. This sale is now over.
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Give us Liquidity or give us Death!

What we need is an ongoing domain auction, where folks like Edwin can unload their inventory and other folks can gobble up all the merde they can afford.
Jose is not getting a good value for his stuff. I gave away a lot of domains and let 100+ Chinese expire. Well, I also bought a bunch of good names at the same time.

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Ain't going to happen until prices go a long way North.
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Re: Give us Liquidity or give us Death!

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What we need is an ongoing domain auction, where folks like Edwin can unload their inventory and other folks can gobble up all the merde they can afford.
Jose is not getting a good value for his stuff. I gave away a lot of domains and let 100+ Chinese expire. Well, I also bought a bunch of good names at the same time.

Give us Liquidity or give us Death!
Liquidity will come when the next round of inve$tors comes in. Just wait.
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Liquidity will come when the next round of inve$tors comes in. Just wait.
Well there is clearly little motivation, other than perhaps desperation for anyone to sell at this point.

The next waive seems to be a bit of an odd term. As far as the current waive is concerned, we seem to have everything from Developers, through Poker Officiando's to Lonely Hearts seeking chat opportunities. There are very few serious investors.

The bottom line is the market will go where it is going to go regardless. The fact there is no significant movement at the moment is immaterial. All it means is the subsequent trajectory will be steeper. Obviously, those with early knowledge have an advantage. If they choose to squander that advantage, then that is their choice.
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... we seem to have everything from Developers, through Poker Officiando's to Lonely Hearts seeking chat opportunities. There are very few serious investors.

Made me laugh. Bless you Dave.
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

Let me respectively disagree.
I didn't say we need an influx of cash. Probably, we do.
I said we need a mechanism for a market valuation and transaction. An auction. Probably similar to SEDO, but without a 'friction' (that's a technical term for fees) and human meddling.

Muni market had a similar problem only 10 years ago. The $2.5 T (that's trillion!) US market had almost zero liquidity and a bunch of brokers controlling the flow.

The Internet brought some transparency + people developed auction platforms. Problem solved. At least partially.
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

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Let me respectively disagree.
I didn't say we need an influx of cash. Probably, we do.
I said we need a mechanism for a market valuation and transaction. An auction. Probably similar to SEDO, but without a 'friction' (that's a technical term for fees) and human meddling.

Muni market had a similar problem only 10 years ago. The $2.5 T (that's trillion!) US market had almost zero liquidity and a bunch of brokers controlling the flow.

The Internet brought some transparency + people developed auction platforms. Problem solved. At least partially.

I think there is already such an auction platform at DNlocal.com. The problem is not whether there are buyers, but whether there are resellers selling good names. The past 2 years or so, a lot of good names have been flipped and fallen into hands of end user speculators. These people are not interested in selling to an auction. They are waiting for a corporation to make them a make me rich offer.
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

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Let me respectively disagree.
I didn't say we need an influx of cash. Probably, we do.
I said we need a mechanism for a market valuation and transaction. An auction. Probably similar to SEDO, but without a 'friction' (that's a technical term for fees) and human meddling.

Muni market had a similar problem only 10 years ago. The $2.5 T (that's trillion!) US market had almost zero liquidity and a bunch of brokers controlling the flow.

The Internet brought some transparency + people developed auction platforms. Problem solved. At least partially.
We already have all the necessary infrastructure in place and have attempted to run auctions in the past. Levels of interest ranged from low to zero to derision from both buyers and sellers. (Mainly from those who like to sit on the sidelines and find fault with anything and everything but when asked for input or to contribute something disappear, only to re-appear when something IS actually being done to spout their bullshit and tell the 'Doers' how to do it .. You know who you are)

The market is seeminlgy not ready for people who are looking to the future and have made efforts to push IDNs for the good of themselves as well as others.

Regardless, those who have a more wide and long ranging vison of what is in store for IDNs will do well and the rest will be left wondering how it got away from them.
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I think there is already such an auction platform at DNlocal.com. The problem is not whether there are buyers, but whether there are resellers selling good names. The past 2 years or so, a lot of good names have been flipped and fallen into hands of end user speculators. These people are not interested in selling to an auction. They are waiting for a corporation to make them a make me rich offer.
I am fairly involved in DNLocal. Just check the whois.

Yes, the auction fell apart because there are a lack of sellers. I tried to sell and was for a while the only one selling.

I can assure you the market fell apart because nobody is prepared to sell descent names in auction for the prices that buyers are expecting to pick them up for. Frankly, I would rather just let them drop at Snapnames than sell for the prices I was getting. Incidentally, I have not to my knowledge dropped a single viable non-TM name this year and I do not intend to.

By constrast I have sold a good number of domains privately for what I consider viable prices. Not good, just viable. We shall continue to operate in this manner until something resembling reasonable buyer interest manifest itself. Plan B was to go back to work for a living rather than just rely on IDN sales, which actually I did for 18 months. I shall now continue working until I am absolutely sure that the financial situation is secure. That probably means when selling is no longer necessary as the traffic income will cover not only renewals but a comfortable lifestyle. I am not sure when this will happen, but I am very confident that it will.

In short a viable market would have been desireable from a sellers point of view. It may also be necessary for some from a cash-flow perspective in the short-term. From a buyers perspective, it is probably more crucial. If you are not in, then frankly it is going to be hard to pick up anything of quality without buying in the aftermarket. As you have pointed out that aftermarket basically doesn't exist, and it won't exist until buyers start getting their wallets out and showing the colour of their money.

Don't be confused by the fact that a few players have been dumping a few of their weaker names to fund renewals. Historically, there are obvious reasons why few have large renewals to meet over the next three months. In theory the next crisis could start to build by January, but frankly if traffic is not starting to build strongly by then, it probably never will.
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I think there is already such an auction platform at DNlocal.com. The problem is not whether there are buyers, but whether there are resellers selling good names. The past 2 years or so, a lot of good names have been flipped and fallen into hands of end user speculators. These people are not interested in selling to an auction. They are waiting for a corporation to make them a make me rich offer.
I am fairly involved in DNLocal. Just check the whois.

Yes, the auction fell apart because there are a lack of sellers. I tried to sell and was for a while the only one selling.

I can assure you the market fell apart because nobody is prepared to sell descent names in auction for the prices that buyers are expecting to pick them up for. Frankly, I would rather just let them drop at Snapnames than sell for the prices I was getting. Incidentally, I have not to my knowledge dropped a single viable non-TM name this year and I do not intend to.

By constrast I have sold a good number of domains privately for what I consider viable prices. Not good, just viable. We shall continue to operate in this manner until something resembling reasonable buyer interest manifest itself. Plan B was to go back to work for a living rather than just rely on IDN sales, which actually I did for 18 months. I shall now continue working until I am absolutely sure that the financial situation is secure. That probably means when selling is no longer necessary as the traffic income will cover not only renewals but a comfortable lifestyle. I am not sure when this will happen, but I am very confident that it will.

In short a viable market would have been desireable from a sellers point of view. It may also be necessary for some from a cash-flow perspective in the short-term. From a buyers perspective, it is probably more crucial. If you are not in, then frankly it is going to be hard to pick up anything of quality without buying in the aftermarket. As you have pointed out that aftermarket basically doesn't exist, and it won't exist until buyers start getting their wallets out and showing the colour of their money.

Don't be confused by the fact that a few players have been dumping a few of their weaker names to fund renewals. Historically, there are obvious reasons why few have large renewals to meet over the next three months. In theory the next crisis could start to build by January, but frankly if traffic is not starting to build strongly by then, it probably never will.
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

Just a gentle reminder that while all this discussion is interesting, this is at the end of the day a SALES thread. Thanks, folks!
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

Except that it does not meet the Basic Criteria for a sales thread:

"2. Sales threads should include a minimum of IDN, punycode, language(s), English translation, price or price range."
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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

Back to Edwins' dilemma:

There are 'real prices' & 'perceived prices'.
Chances are, there are pearls in Edwin's portfolio that most of us wouldn't mind shelling out $50 or $200 per name, and not just a merde $3 he is hoping to get.

This is what automatic auction does: it converges 'perception' and 'reality'.

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Re: Anyone up for a gamble?

Might be worth looking at, but there is always going to be a gulf between today's performance and tomorrow's expectations. Sellers are not going sell top names on the basis of today's traffic. Buyer's will have to bridge that gap or there is no deal. Once the traffic emerges most Sellers will no longer need to sell and will just sit back and let the market ramp up.

There are only three scenarios.

Firstly, buyers suceed in starving out existing holders and pick up everything for Nickels and Dimes.

Secondly, Buyer's get real and start offering realistic prices that properly reflects the balance of risk and potential.

Thirdly, Sellers hold out until Traffic supports renewal costs, so they can lock down their investments for short-term revenue, awaiting massive long-term cash-out.


Only the first of these favours the potential Buyers. Both of the second options are satisfactory for the potential Sellers. If you ask which of these are the most likely scenarios Two and Three are looking a lot more likely than One.
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