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Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

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im registering chinese IDNs everyday but i dont know really which are the best webtools to value chinese keywords. I check several portals like baidu and google china and see the search results, and I also use Overture HK; but honestly I dont see so much the point to use HK or Taiwan overture or search engines since their living standards and habits are different than mainland China, though i still check them. I also receive the help of a chinese native speaker and thats helping me a lot to save me time in translations or guessing if a word is hot or not in China, but i still wonder which tools are better.

So can someone tell me which overture or other webtools are the best ones to value keywords in China? Thanks!
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

You may want to use iask.com, besides search results it also gives the english translation if it's available.
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

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Hi!

im registering chinese IDNs everyday but i dont know really which are the best webtools to value chinese keywords. I check several portals like baidu and google china and see the search results, and I also use Overture HK; but honestly I dont see so much the point to use HK or Taiwan overture or search engines since their living standards and habits are different than mainland China, though i still check them. I also receive the help of a chinese native speaker and thats helping me a lot to save me time in translations or guessing if a word is hot or not in China, but i still wonder which tools are better.

So can someone tell me which overture or other webtools are the best ones to value keywords in China? Thanks!
I am actually using Google.cn Adwords as a key indicator at the moment. If you have 3 adverts or more, chances are it is pretty hot. Advantage is that it is fast easy to use and pretty reliable.
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

US OVT is fairly accurate for simplified and traditional chinese. Good words got US OVT exceeding 100, terrific ones >500 (these are very rare).
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

Interesting, I just tried US ovt. None of my professional terms ever got beyond 50.


computer in simplified get 300; "mobile" in simplified get 300; adult terms get about 300; "sex" get 3000

So use that to calibrate.
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

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Interesting, I just tried US ovt. None of my professional terms ever got beyond 50; but adult terms get about 300...

So use that to calibrate.

Some professional terms do get more than 100:

旗袍 127
防毒 123
精油 108


Major cities also score more than 100:

上海 882
成都 339
苏州 302
杭州 301
宜蘭 132 -> this is traditional chinese, city in Taiwan, for comparison, TW OVT is 51926
花蓮 103 -> this is traditional chinese, city in Taiwan, for comparison, TW OVT is 67237


For comparison US OVT score for Tokyo:

東京 277

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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

Yes, to put this into context, try searching on US Overture on this term, then try and work out where it comes from or what it means.

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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

also:

東京 got 277
simplified version of tokyo got 55


I love ovt (should I reg it in symbols?)
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東京 got 277
simplified version of tokyo got 55


I love ovt (should I reg it in symbols?)
The traditional version is also the kanji version. Bottomline is: average keywords got at least some US OVT, although the exact figure fluctuates significantly from mth to mth.
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

Hi!

Yumi, you are a mainland china domainer, which webtools and search engines u like to use or u trust a lot for stats? Do u also use US OVT?
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

No.I want to use US OVT.But it's not very helpful.I tried many hot words, a little US OVT,even zero!It's funny.
My tools:
1.My feeling and sense.Hot word in our life is good.
Such as 宝贝(means baby,darling,treasure),热门(means"in great demand;popular"),畅销(means"sell well")
2.search the word on google,number of results will be considered.
3.search adverts
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

Thanks! Yumi and everyone. I hope we all are right about US OVT but honestly i feel thats also like if i search for japanese keywords on US OVT. But anyway, if you all say US OVT, i will follow the advice. Thanks again!
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

Just wondering, what's everyone's view on .NET with high US OVT? I came across a couple of generic terms with US OVT > 300, but they are all .NET. Some of these terms are Trad, but most are Simplified... Is it worth it?
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

If they are primary terms, .net might also be valuable in the future, you can check idnclub to see what people registered from their signature.
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Just wondering, what's everyone's view on .NET with high US OVT? I came across a couple of generic terms with US OVT > 300, but they are all .NET. Some of these terms are Trad, but most are Simplified... Is it worth it?
If it is really that hot, say worth $100,000K, then dot net is going to be 10-20% of that value. If we are talknig about shelling out 10 bucks for a new reg, that would seem to be an acceptable ROI.
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Re: Which webtools to use to value a chinese IDN? Baidu.com?

I would say you can't go wrong with ovt bids since they are based on real sentences entered by real people running the ad campaigns.

However I don't trust OV bids anymore. Yesterday, on OV Spain, I was getting unexpected great results for a very uncommon word for car + rent in Spanish. It turns out it was the OV system replacing my car word with the very common car Spanish word "coche" and sending the bids! Damn. Too good I know Spanish.

Be aware of OV synonymous replacements!
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