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Old 26th August 2007, 06:27 AM
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Ford and GM say factories in US face axe

Ford and General Motors have threatened to leave Detroit and take their car manufacturing operations overseas if unions do not agree to a massive pay cut for hourly paid workers.

The threat to quit the city they call Motown because of its rich automotive heritage would be a crippling blow to Detroit, which is suffering amid a prolonged economic downturn and has been hit by the sub-prime mortgage crisis.

Ford and GM are in the thick of negotiations with the United Auto Workers union, the most powerful labour group in the industry. The car makers maintain they must dramatically reduce manufacturing costs if they are to survive in today's global economy.

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Their biggest burden is the current labour cost per vehicle - an estimated $71 (around £35) per man hour. Workers earn about $27 an hour with the remainder made up of overheads such as pensions and healthcare costs for the thousands of retirees on their books.

Ford and GM have made it clear that they expect to reduce the hourly cost from $71 to about $50 - a cut of about 30 per cent. The companies are keen not to cut workers' hourly pay, but they insist that other overheads must be reduced.

If a deal cannot be reached, Ford and GM negotiators have said the companies will have no choice but to move their North American operations to countries in Latin America and Asia where manufacturing costs are cheaper........

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin...156191,00.html
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with the remainder made up of overheads such as pensions and healthcare costs for the thousands of retirees on their books

The medical fees and pension cost in the west is really a problem.

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The medical fees and pension cost in the west is really a problem.
Yes, in the USA they have what is known as "capitalised medicine", as opposed to Europe where we have "socialised medicine". Doctors are among the richest class of people in the USA. They have extremely high salaries, as well as constantly being offered large bribes by big pharma.

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Anesthesiologist (the gas doctor) - $253k !!!

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Anesthesiologist (the gas doctor) - $253k !!!

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I have never met so many beggars than in US. What a shame. Then richest country in the world-or so it says.
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Yes, in the USA they have what is known as "capitalised medicine", as opposed to Europe where we have "socialised medicine". Doctors are among the richest class of people in the USA. They have extremely high salaries, as well as constantly being offered large bribes by big pharma.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...Doctors/Salary


http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...Degrees/Salary


Anesthesiologist (the gas doctor) - $253k !!!

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I read somewhere that the Whitehouse spoke person has to quit, the pay is too little. :o
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Don't be surprised. If he makes a slight mistake, you'll never make it to the op-table.
While this used to be the case, anesthesia hasn't been such a risky proposition in a while since the advent of the pulse oximeter.

I once read about an anesthesiologist who refused to work more than 3 or 4 hours per week. He only made about 30k a year, but it was enough to live in a trailer near a golf course and play golf the rest of the time (according to him).

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That's right. US government takes about 60% of you "income" in taxes (if you count all-sales taxes, land ; another around 150 taxes that you dont count when you file tax return). It's better to work for cash (anybody can get 30.000/year), a free insurance than versus work in a corp and get 70.000 dollars salary and work 14 hours a day with no overtime paid. On top of this you can be fired any day without even given an explanation.in this case.
Fired as of today. Good Luck. Who the F wants that? I don't.
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