This sucks. .cn

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Asiaplay

I understand there is an arbitration process for CNNIC (which is run in Hong Kong from memory) - is there any ability to take these types of things to arbitration?

Well if you call taking the domain away and then telling you your domain has been taken away arbitration then I guess, yes, there must be arbitration.

[touchring]

Well, i tried to warn many times on this forum, i know some people may not like it, but i'm a .cn investor and speculator myself, so i've done extensive research on this subject last year.

The question is not whether they can or will confiscate your domain (they can take away your name if they want to - this has been proven beyond any doubts), but rather, how to prevent your domain from being confiscated, and what to do after your domain has been confiscated.

This house owner (probably a tug himself) can barricade himself in a house with weapons on hand (so that the developer cannot demolish his house - whether he sold his house does not matter to the people operating the bulldozers i think), but how are we going to protect our domains - bring a gang of tugs to CNNIC HQ?

[Rubber Duck]

Well, I got publicly berated for even hinting that there might be a problem.

[mulligan]

I was never under any illusions about what CNNIC can / will do when the notion takes them .. what pisses me off more than that is the people on this forum who are selling .cn names with the guarantee that they are past the 30 day window and therefore safe from reposession or deletion.

Ya really think they're not aware of this?

Frankly there is no room in this market for this kind of bullshit.

[dusty]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I was never under any illusions about what CNNIC can / will do when the notion takes them .. what pisses me off more than that is the people on this forum who are selling .cn names with the guarantee that they are past the 30 day window and therefore safe from reposession or deletion.

Ya really think they're not aware of this?

Frankly there is no room in this market for this kind of bullshit.

I registered the domain on 6/24/07 and it was deleted by CNNIC on 9/24/07.

[touchring]

The whois return from the name is Does not exist. So it is open for registration again?

It will seem to me that such deletions can be arbitrary. I can imagine it being like say someone from CNNIC reviews the list of domains registered over the last two or three months, and sees a registration he does not like, or if CNNIC receives a complaint from a government body in China.

We don't know exactly what happened, but i think we can expect more deletions if IDNs become mainstream.

[burnsinternet]

Originally Posted by touchring

The whois return from the name is Does not exist. So it is open for registration again?

It will seem to me that such deletions can be arbitrary. I can imagine it being like say someone from CNNIC reviews the list of domains registered over the last two or three months, and sees a registration he does not like, or if CNNIC receives a complaint from a government body in China.

We don't know exactly what happened, but i think we can expect more deletions if IDNs become mainstream.

It shows available for registration. I didn't try to reg it, though. It might get rejected if you try.

[Rubber Duck]

It might also be that individual registrants are not meeting the requirements such as being bone-fide registered companies.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

It might also be that individual registrants are not meeting the requirements such as being bone-fide registered companies.

This is another myth, the guy that registered software.cn that got deleted in the end had a company. Why would software.cn be against regulations? A chinese guy said on a forum - does the PRC own the software industry in China?

What can say is it boils down to "Pure Luck" - if you are unlucky, your name will be taken, even if you broke no rules, 30 days or not.

[dusty]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

It might also be that individual registrants are not meeting the requirements such as being bone-fide registered companies.

I did have a company name listed in the whois on this one.

[JamesZ]

seven of my .cn names were deleted very recently.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by JamesZ

seven of my .cn names were deleted very recently.

Any clues what nature they might be so we don't have to guess and worry?

[dusty]

Originally Posted by touchring

Any clues what nature they might be so we don't have to guess and worry?

yes, Can you tell us what they were?

[JamesZ]

Four of them are gambling related, such as onlinecasino.cn or casinoonline.cn in Chinese. I am not surprised about that.
Three of them are 北京幼儿园.cn (beijingkindergarten.cn), 上海幼儿园.cn(shanghaikindergarten), 深圳幼儿园.cn (shenzhenkindergarten). I really do not understand why they should take those.
I was thinking how to develop them. Now I do not have to worry about it.

[mgrohan]

Seems like something really to worry about now, as the sites are very wide ranging which are getting reclaimed. Seems like anything remotely connected to government organizations, gambling, Kindergartens/schools/universities, so far..
In the future maybe porn/adult? (seeing as it is illegal in China like gambling), cities, etc..

[touchring]

Originally Posted by JamesZ

Four of them are gambling related, such as onlinecasino.cn or casinoonline.cn in Chinese. I am not surprised about that.
Three of them are 北京幼儿园.cn (beijingkindergarten.cn), 上海幼儿园.cn(shanghaikindergarten), 深圳幼儿园.cn (shenzhenkindergarten). I really do not understand why they should take those.
I was thinking how to develop them. Now I do not have to worry about it.

Thks. They got the city names in them - beijing, shanghai, shenzhen. I think this is a big no no now.

List of "deletable names", registered anytime.:

1. Institution(院), Board/Department (局)
2. Containing City names, e.g. especially, beijing, shanghai, shenzhen.
3. Gambling/Casino names.
4. All adult names (possible imo, since ascii sex.cn is prohibited, but need actual case).

What else? Anyone got a deletion also, pls share?

[zenmarketing]

CNNIC - keep it up!

[touchring]

Originally Posted by zenmarketing

CNNIC - keep it up!

Luxury houses in Hong Kong costs 10 times that in Shanghai, whereas stock prices in shanghai costs many times more in Shanghai than Hong Kong for the same stocks. There is a reason for it.

Your house in Hong Kong is guaranteed yours by common law.

Your house in shanghai - you don't own it, the chinese government leases you the land, and can take it back anytime. You will be compensated as they deem fit.

[Rubber Duck]

Laughing all the way to the bank!

What about my few IDN.cn. Does being over 2 years old help at all?

[Asiaplay]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Laughing all the way to the bank!

What about my few IDN.cn. Does being over 2 years old help at all?

List them here and we will give you an opinion

JamesZ - did you ever query / ask why these were deleted?
My guess is Touchring is correct (it is the city name part) - but if this is the case it has wide reaching implications for a few members in here (who have been collecting IDNs with city names within them).

Someone who has (if not all of you) should be asking for an explanation of why you had your IDNs cancelled.
Also it would be a good idea to ask CNNIC to clearly outline it's cancellation policy if you could (at least this might tidy up everyone's guesses on why things are being cancelled and make .cn safer as an investment).

Can some of you start querying?

Cheers - Asiaplay

PS: I have had none cancelled - so am unable to query at this point in time really.