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ايلاف : عناوين الإنترنت بلغات غير الإنكليزية قريبًا

http://www.elaph.com/ElaphWeb/Techno.../10/269349.htm

ويقول المختصون إنه من الممكن أحيانًا كتابة عناوين انترنت بغير اللغة الإنكليزية، ولكن الجزء الأخير من هذه العناوين مثل (.com) يجب أن يكتب باللغة الإنكليزية مما يحتم على المستخدم ضرورة استخدام هذه اللغة في جميع الأحوال. إن الاختبار الحديث للعناوين يختبر إمكانية استخدام هذا الجزء بالذات بلغات أخرى غير الإنكليزية.



I feel I need to write something about idn.idn and idn.com
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Re: ايلاف : عناوين الإنترنت بلغات غير الإنكليزية قريبًا

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http://www.elaph.com/ElaphWeb/Techno.../10/269349.htm
ويقول المختصون إنه من الممكن أحيانًا كتابة عناوين انترنت بغير اللغة الإنكليزية، ولكن الجزء الأخير من هذه العناوين مثل (.com) يجب أن يكتب باللغة الإنكليزية مما يحتم على المستخدم ضرورة استخدام هذه اللغة في جميع الأحوال. إن الاختبار الحديث للعناوين يختبر إمكانية استخدام هذا الجزء بالذات بلغات أخرى غير الإنكليزية.

I feel I need to write something about idn.idn and idn.com
Can you translate your writings about idn.idn
My Arabic is still pretty shaky
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Can you translate your writings about idn.idn
My Arabic is still pretty shaky
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ويقول المختصون إنه من الممكن أحيانًا كتابة عناوين انترنت بغير اللغة الإنكليزية، ولكن الجزء الأخير من هذه العناوين مثل (.com) يجب أن يكتب باللغة الإنكليزية مما يحتم على المستخدم ضرورة استخدام هذه اللغة في جميع الأحوال. إن الاختبار الحديث للعناوين يختبر إمكانية استخدام هذا الجزء بالذات بلغات أخرى غير الإنكليزية.

Specialists says it's sometimes possible to write web address in a language other than English, but the extension like (.com) must be written in English which forces the user to use this language 'English' in any how. the new test for extensions test the ability to use this part in other languages than English.


the whole article is about the new ICANN test for .IDNs
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Re: ايلاف : عناوين الإنترنت بلغات غير الإنكليزية قريبًا

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ويقول المختصون إنه من الممكن أحيانًا كتابة عناوين انترنت بغير اللغة الإنكليزية، ولكن الجزء الأخير من هذه العناوين مثل (.com) يجب أن يكتب باللغة الإنكليزية مما يحتم على المستخدم ضرورة استخدام هذه اللغة في جميع الأحوال. إن الاختبار الحديث للعناوين يختبر إمكانية استخدام هذا الجزء بالذات بلغات أخرى غير الإنكليزية.

Specialists says it's sometimes possible to write web address in a language other than English, but the extension like (.com) must be written in English which forces the user to use this language 'English' in any how. the new test for extensions test the ability to use this part in other languages than English.


the whole article is about the new ICANN test for .IDNs
thanks a lot for the article g
thanks muhammad for translating ... I have few questions for you

what arabic extension you expect they will use ?
كوم؟
شركة؟
عرب؟
عر؟

Another question ...have you noticed the dot problem? there is no arabic dot and the user will has to press alt shift twice?! what do you think about what will happen ?

also do you think arab will snap better premium names this time ? I feel that they mostly will be consumed by foreigners?

what do you like better idn.com or idn.idn?

I will be happy if all arabic idners here participated in this healthy discussion...
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For gTLD I assume they will go with كوم and نت. I'm REALLY looking forward to نت...

I don't think many arab "domainers" will pay the premium prices for the Arabic domains like the Westerners, IMO. But I feel like the Westerners who would like to make a presence in the Middle East will pay good money for the domains.

I don't like IDN.com or IDN.IDN, I like ArabicIDN.net. كوم sounds funny--but you need to be selective about which domains get which extensions. A word will be more valuable in one extensionthan the other. (only gTLDs, I think ccTLDs are crap in the Arabic world).*

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For gTLD I assume they will go with كوم and نت. I'm REALLY looking forward to نت...

I don't think many arab "domainers" will pay the premium prices for the Arabic domains like the Westerners, IMO. But I feel like the Westerners who would like to make a presence in the Middle East will pay good money for the domains.

I don't like IDN.com or IDN.IDN, I like ArabicIDN.net. كوم sounds funny--but you need to be selective about which domains get which extensions. A word will be more valuable in one extensionthan the other. (only gTLDs, I think ccTLDs are crap in the Arabic world).*

*Just my personal opinion.
thanks fka200 for participating

idn.idn will be for something close to 10$ registeration fee and not expensive and all arab can afford it unless they make auctions for competitive names...?!

there is no more arab and westerners .... this is a global market

if the market depends on certain people .... it will fail ... diversity is the most important engine for the market ...

arab buy and sell ascii.com and westerners do so with idn.com

you are right that westerners are the fuel of the market if you want to see sky high prices but we need developement , advertisement ....etc also

some arab think that with idn.idn they can make their own successful market without the foreigners .... and I have to disagree with that.

I hope to see an interactive globalized market ... not isolated areas at webspace.

thanks fka200 for sharing your opinion anyway
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Re: ايلاف : عناوين الإنترنت بلغات غير الإنكليزية قريبًا

g, how is there no dot on the Arabic keyboard? shift+ز gives you the .

Can't think properly right now to type more .
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thanks muhammad for translating ... I have few questions for you

what arabic extension you expect they will use ?
كوم؟
شركة؟
عرب؟
عر؟

Another question ...have you noticed the dot problem? there is no arabic dot and the user will has to press alt shift twice?! what do you think about what will happen ?

also do you think arab will snap better premium names this time ? I feel that they mostly will be consumed by foreigners?

what do you like better idn.com or idn.idn?

I will be happy if all arabic idners here participated in this healthy discussion...
I think they will first start with .كوم and .نت and after that shortly (or in the same time) .شركة after that they will come to other ext. but I think they won't launch more ext. like org, info ...etc, instead you will see some new ext. like .بلد and .موقع which will 100% FAIL am quit sure
about the [dot] issue as Sammy said there is NO Arabic dot problem in the Arabic layout as you can very easily to write dot by press shift+ز or directly press the del button between [0] and [enter] in the right of the keyboard without have to change the language twice
Premium names will go to foreigners domainers, but this time I think Arabic domainers/users will enter the market very fast and get some great names.
I love idn.com, idn.net more than idn.idn but believe me idn.idn will explode the Arabic market when they launch

(only gTLDs, I think ccTLDs are crap in the Arabic world)*
totally agree with you Sammy, but I'll have just to exclude UAE ... they opened the withdrawal option for Emirates users from UAE in paypal btw, they grow too fast.

I don't know if you hear about this project before or not (http://www.arabic-domains.org/main-en.php) take a look at it.
hope this discussion go on, always useful and amazing g
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just for your record, .السعودية opened for registration for free
http://www.nic.net.sa/page.php?page=8&lang=0
terms:
http://www.nic.net.sa/page.php?page=55&lang=0
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Re: ايلاف : عناوين الإنترنت بلغات غير الإنكليزية قريبًا

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just for your record, .السعودية opened for registration for free
http://www.nic.net.sa/page.php?page=8&lang=0
terms:
http://www.nic.net.sa/page.php?page=55&lang=0
nice action

Nice action, i don't like when they limit the registration to arabic speaking people only the english is only for ascii.com.sa i use translation sites, look like you have to own the ascii to apply for the idn or not?

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Nice action, i don't like when they limit the registration to arabic speaking people only the english is only for ascii.com.sa i use translation sites, look like you have to own the ascii to apply for the idn or not?

Charrua.
Not just have to own the ascii, also terms includes:
Applicant must have a branch in KSA, or have a local agent registered in KSA, or have a TM registered in KSA
Too, in the terms they says that you can’t have the name to sell or rent it later YOU MUST USE IT BY YOURSELF

this project is a TEST project and when idn.idn launched it will be opened to all to reg (I assume) but this one will sure terminated as soon as idn.idn comes, you have now to install a plug in which works with only IE6 and IE7 to enter this project sites.
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g, how is there no dot on the Arabic keyboard? shift+ز gives you the .

Can't think properly right now to type more .
I become too old to figure new things out .... I got it now

what do you guys think about www what it will be?
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I become too old to figure new things out .... I got it now

what do you guys think about www what it will be?

صصص or maybe ووو?
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Another arabic speaker?

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Another arabic speaker?

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I think so, if my intuition is right he uses a frankoarab name which is Rimal = Sands
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