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Old 15th October 2007, 09:32 PM
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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You've just coined a new word, congrats! Arbitrary leading to obituary :-)

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Is it taken?

The way it works is ICANN makes the rules and Verisign follows them.

Whey the fuck Mozilla have a problem with that is beyond me!


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Perhaps ICANN can put some pressure on Verisign to publish a policy to registrars regarding which types of mixed script registrations are acceptable and which are not.

Isn't that the perfect task for the IDN association?

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Is it taken?

The way it works is ICANN makes the rules and Verisign follows them.

Whey the fuck Mozilla have a problem with that is beyond me!

Why ICANN has a problem making Verisign disallow phishing domain registrations is beyond me.

Agreed, mozilla is being a bit of a vigilante in this situation.

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Old 15th October 2007, 10:16 PM
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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Just tried the Greek page there ... http://παράδειγμα.δοκιμή on Opera, and the address in the toolbar actually shows as ....

http://παράδειγμα.δοκιμή/Αρχική_σελίδα ( Αρχικη Σελιδα meaning Home Page ).

If Opera can get this working, whats the problem with Firefox and IE giving us the same thing ??

It does look like a step in the right direction.

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Safari also shows punycode instead of unicode for Greek, Cyrillic and Hebrew.

Time to start stirring the pot somewhere. I sent a bug to Apple via the BUG button in Safari 3 for the Greek URL above. If a few other people do the same, it might float to the top.
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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idn.com(idn) will put an end to this problem as you will write the name easily in one direction.
Or maybe they can handle the R-T-L probelm by just reassigning the ending extension "moc." :p
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

I took a new PC, fresh from the packing box, plain vanilla XP SP2 and IE7. Changed that language settings. The only URLs that do not show up are Korean, Japanese, and Chinese because the Language Packs were not installed. With LPs installed, all works perfectly.
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Old 16th October 2007, 11:08 AM
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

Its about time MS stopped all this language pack nonsense. Just install all Unicode fonts as default and stop the world's population from seeing question marks and square boxes when they should be seeing real words and symbols. Its not like modern PCs can't handle large number of fonts. This isn't 1995 anymore MS!
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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Its about time MS stopped all this language pack nonsense. Just install all Unicode fonts as default and stop the world's population from seeing question marks and square boxes when they should be seeing real words and symbols. Its not like modern PCs can't handle large number of fonts. This isn't 1995 anymore MS!
It is in Seattle. They need all the room they can get to accommodate their bloatware!

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Or maybe they can handle the R-T-L probelm by just reassigning the ending extension "moc." :p
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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Or maybe they can handle the R-T-L probelm by just reassigning the ending extension "moc." :p

This is a browser specific feature, and could certainly be implemented very easily. Probably a low priority for any browser product manager, though.

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Old 16th October 2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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This is a browser specific feature, and could certainly be implemented very easily. Probably a low priority for any browser product manager, though.

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it is actually not a right to left problem or even browser problem

.com appears on the right or on the left according to your setting

it appears on the right at arabic based forums but on the left here

the annoying thing is in the keyboard when you have to shift languages before typing the .com

any how I used to be annoyed of typing www then . then the term then . then com .. now everybody is used to it

it only needs education and the idn.com is working perfectly anyway
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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it is actually not a right to left problem or even browser problem

.com appears on the right or on the left according to your setting

it appears on the right at arabic based forums but on the left here

the annoying thing is in the keyboard when you have to shift languages before typing the .com

any how I used to be annoyed of typing www then . then the term then . then com .. now everybody is used to it

it only needs education and the idn.com is working perfectly anyway

We are talking about the visually displeasing problem of:

com.niamod


instead of how it should be:

moc.niamod


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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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We are talking about the visually displeasing problem of:

com.niamod


instead of how it should be:

moc.niamod


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I don't get it

here it appears idn.com

in arabic forums it appears com.idn

if .com appeared moc it will look distorted and it will not be recognised as .com
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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I don't get it

here it appears idn.com

in arabic forums it appears com.idn

if .com appeared moc it will look distorted and it will not be recognised as .com

As someone who doesn't read LTR, i assume that people that read LTR will automatically read RTL for ABC?
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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As someone who doesn't read LTR, i assume that people that read LTR will automatically read RTL for ABC?
Those that read RTL (Arabic, Hebrew) do not read English as RTL. "moc." is gibberish.

That said, you can type Arabic domain names just as easily as Russian or Chinese regardless of the RTL issue. You would start with the Arabic portion, switch languages to English (Alt-Tab or equivalent), and type .com. Works fine. May not look pretty, but it's functional.
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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Those that read RTL (Arabic, Hebrew) do not read English as RTL. "moc." is gibberish.

That said, you can type Arabic domain names just as easily as Russian or Chinese regardless of the RTL issue. You would start with the Arabic portion, switch languages to English (Alt-Tab or equivalent), and type .com. Works fine. May not look pretty, but it's functional.

oh, my typo, but if it works fine, ok. so no big issue except key swtich.
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

Until Arabs have agreed on an extension, ICANN will not be existing anymore.

Look at the Arab League.....Again we'll be facing 'Island solutions' having UAE with their own solutions, EGYPT with a Pharaon extension an the Maghreb keeping French.

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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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Until Arabs have agreed on an extension, ICANN will not be existing anymore.

Look at the Arab League.....Again we'll be facing 'Island solutions' having UAE with their own solutions, EGYPT with a Pharaon extension an the Maghreb keeping French.

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Thanks Dabsi,

As ever you have pin-pointed the issue, even followed some of the logic, but plucked totally the wrong conclusion from fresh air.

It is obvious that dot com will have a field day, here as in Russia. Verisign will destroy disorganised opposition.
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Until Arabs have agreed on an extension, ICANN will not be existing anymore.

Look at the Arab League.....Again we'll be facing 'Island solutions' having UAE with their own solutions, EGYPT with a Pharaon extension an the Maghreb keeping French.

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And that's why the gTLDs will work regardless of the crap ccTLDs! Woo Hoo!
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

Hi all, I noticed that you have some good discussions concerning the browser functionality and user expectations when it comes to IDN TLDs....as tried out at the various IDNwiki's that you can access from the IDNwiki gateway at http://idn.icann.org

I am wondering if you would participate in the wiki discussions as well? Reason ebing that we would like to be able to gather all the experience users are having when using the IDN TLDs so that we can make that information available to the application providers as well as to the generel public when reports are being made.

We anticipate several rounds of such reports, but the sooner the better

Also, in case you have any questions about IDN TLDs, please dont hesitate to ask me - here - directly - or on the IDNwiki's.

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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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Hi all, I noticed that you have some good discussions concerning the browser functionality and user expectations when it comes to IDN TLDs....as tried out at the various IDNwiki's that you can access from the IDNwiki gateway at http://idn.icann.org

I am wondering if you would participate in the wiki discussions as well? Reason ebing that we would like to be able to gather all the experience users are having when using the IDN TLDs so that we can make that information available to the application providers as well as to the generel public when reports are being made.

We anticipate several rounds of such reports, but the sooner the better

Also, in case you have any questions about IDN TLDs, please dont hesitate to ask me - here - directly - or on the IDNwiki's.

Kind regards,

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Hi Tina,

it is a great pleasure to see you here.
I am sorry to say that your announcements weren't clear enough and made a lot of confusion among arabic users.
I tried to participate in discussion in wiki but I couldn't reach any link or how to read these discussion or how to participate.
the arabic translation wasn't friendly enough to explain to arabic user what is going on.
I will open a new thread in this arabic section to discuss it.
Hope to always hear from you.
thank you
your help is much appreciated
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Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!

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Hi all, I noticed that you have some good discussions concerning the browser functionality and user expectations when it comes to IDN TLDs....as tried out at the various IDNwiki's that you can access from the IDNwiki gateway at http://idn.icann.org

I am wondering if you would participate in the wiki discussions as well? Reason ebing that we would like to be able to gather all the experience users are having when using the IDN TLDs so that we can make that information available to the application providers as well as to the generel public when reports are being made.

We anticipate several rounds of such reports, but the sooner the better

Also, in case you have any questions about IDN TLDs, please dont hesitate to ask me - here - directly - or on the IDNwiki's.

Kind regards,

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Email: tina.dam@icann.org
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Why not officially couple idnforums.com to the ICANN idn.gateway in combination with specific forum sections ?
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