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g 15th October 2007 12:44 PM

Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
واخيرا تحقق الحلم العربي

حدث تاريخي ونقطة فاصلة في مرحلة تطوير المواقع والانترنت

A turning point in the history of arabic internet

read more details here

http://www.xn--mgb5a8an.com/article26.htm

jacksonm 15th October 2007 12:50 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g
واخيرا تحقق الحلم العربي

حدث تاريخي ونقطة فاصلة في مرحلة تطوير المواقع والانترنت

A turning point in the history of arabic internet

read more details here

http://www.xn--mgb5a8an.com/article26.htm

Any chance to get a summary in English?

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bwhhisc 15th October 2007 12:51 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Gee- can you translate or give us the highlights in English. Thx.

g 15th October 2007 12:55 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
idn.idn is working

http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-15oct07.htm

I just copied the arabic article from icann

http://xn--mgbcd4a2b0d2b.idn.icann.o...ŠØ³ÙŠØ©

you can try them now

http://مثال.إختبار/

jacksonm 15th October 2007 01:00 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Don't forget to add your whitelists for the test domains to firefox if you want to see IDN.IDN in the address bar.

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domainguru 15th October 2007 01:02 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacksonm
Don't forget to add your whitelists for the test domains to firefox if you want to see IDN.IDN in the address bar.

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True enough, but for the general public using Firefox that have no idea about whitelisting? They will wonder what the heck IDNs are all about and turn their back for the next few years.

Shame on Firefox for adopting their ridiculous whitelisting policy!!

g 15th October 2007 01:06 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
I don't care what appears in the address bar

it is the first time for me guys that I write down arabic url and it resolves to a website

I will surely keep this moment for long in the memory to tell the kids :)

jacksonm 15th October 2007 01:06 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by domainguru
True enough, but for the general public using Firefox that have no idea about whitelisting? They will wonder what the heck IDNs are all about and turn their back for the next few years.

Shame on Firefox for adopting their ridiculous whitelisting policy!!


Let's call it what it is: A pissing contest with Verisign.

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domainguru 15th October 2007 01:09 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g
I don't care what appears in the address bar

it is the first time for me guys that I write down arabic url and it resolves to a website

I will surely keep this moment for long in the memory to tell the kids :)

You should care. Hundreds of thousands of people across the globe will access these test URLs and lose confidence in the whole IDN thing. They get promised domains in their own language and all they see is xn--.xn--, how disappointing is that?

Maybe if this testbed shines an embarrassingly bright spotlight on Mozilla's whitelisting policy, some good will come out of it.

g 15th October 2007 01:12 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by domainguru
You should care. Hundreds of thousands of people across the globe will access these test URLs and lose confidence in the whole IDN thing. They get promised domains in their own language and all they see is xn--.xn--, how disappointing is that?

Maybe if this testbed shines an embarrassingly bright spotlight on Mozilla's whitelisting policy, some good will come out of it.

I care about many things not only how it appears in the address bar but also emails and www thing ....etc

but I was talking about enjoying the present moment

domainguru 15th October 2007 01:14 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g
I care about many things not only how it appears in the address bar but also emails and www thing ....etc

but I was talking about enjoying the present moment

Sure, its a major event, and happy about that, but for me, definitely partially spoiled by the pissing contest.

jacksonm 15th October 2007 01:29 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by domainguru
Sure, its a major event, and happy about that, but for me, definitely partially spoiled by the pissing contest.


I agree.

Perhaps it would be constructive for some of the members of this forum who are native speakers of the test wikis to deliver the following message:

"While this is an extremely important milestone on the road to IDN.IDN implementation, the event is somewhat soured by the fact that Firefox has been forced to implement a whilelisting policy in response to Verisign's refusal to prevent mixed-script IDN registrations. The situation is compounded by the fact that Firefox does not provide an easy way for users to enable whitelists or even know that whitelists are required for that matter. Perhaps ICANN can put some pressure on Verisign to publish a policy to registrars regarding which types of mixed script registrations are acceptable and which are not."


I'm sure that somebody can word it better than I can, but this message should be translated and delivered.

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touchring 15th October 2007 02:52 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g
I care about many things not only how it appears in the address bar but also emails and www thing ....etc

but I was talking about enjoying the present moment


Hi g, is there an arabic version of .com?

g 15th October 2007 04:55 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
Hi g, is there an arabic version of .com?

yes arabic .com and .net are solid with no other versions and all website developers ,who are not aware of idns ,are using them

كوم .com
نت .net

if they offer new registrations at .com(idn) , then .com(idn) will be the arabic king and our idn.com will be the queen or less ... but it is a rare possibility as people here mentioned because of confusing similarity.

if they offer free or paid aliasing with .com(idn) then our idn.com prices will explode and you will see jumping in traffic and revenue ....

if they will leave idn.com as it is and offer new idn.idn registrations. it depends on the new idn.idn choosen and how arab will accept the sound of it .... but no doubt idn.com will be on the top for long unless they cancel them .... :)

Fka200 15th October 2007 05:05 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Great news. Nice to see the sites are all working!

touchring 15th October 2007 05:14 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g
yes arabic .com and .net are solid with no other versions and all website developers ,who are not aware of idns ,are using them

كوم .com
نت .net

if they offer new registrations at .com(idn) , then .com(idn) will be the arabic king and our idn.com will be the queen or less ... but it is a rare possibility as people here mentioned because of confusing similarity.

if they offer free or paid aliasing with .com(idn) then our idn.com prices will explode and you will see jumping in traffic and revenue ....

if they will leave idn.com as it is and offer new idn.idn registrations. it depends on the new idn.idn choosen and how arab will accept the sound of it .... but no doubt idn.com will be on the top for long unless they cancel them .... :)


ok, how about the left to right or right to left problem for idn.com. Is this a problem at all?

Fka200 15th October 2007 05:17 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
ok, how about the left to right or right to left problem for idn.com. Is this a problem at all?

I was just thinking of the R-T-L problem yesterday. It's a real nuisance... I was thinking of it while trying to design a new logo and it really sucks having the TLD to the right when it should be on the left of the domain name.

touchring 15th October 2007 05:34 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fka200
I was just thinking of the R-T-L problem yesterday. It's a real nuisance... I was thinking of it while trying to design a new logo and it really sucks having the TLD to the right when it should be on the left of the domain name.


They will dname كوم . to .com, to avoid a phishing nightmare - which can potentially end careers.... This is more than just money, it is about failing on the job entirely.

ASCIIer thinking that .idn will be independent from .com is only wishful thinking.

Fka200 15th October 2007 05:37 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
They will dname كوم . to .com, to avoid a phishing nightmare - which can potentially end careers.... This is more than just money, it is about failing on the job entirely.

ASCIIer thinking that .idn will be independent from .com is only wishful thinking.

I agree. I can't wait till نت (net) extension is IDN'd. كوم sounds like sh!t. I've spent the last 4 months researching this TLD issue, and I've come to interesting conclusions. From asking random people on the street to a bit more ridiculous things (in the Middle East of course).

g 15th October 2007 05:49 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
ok, how about the left to right or right to left problem for idn.com. Is this a problem at all?

it is an annoying thing but it is much more with .net than .com which you can instead press cntrol/enter

aliasing will revive the .net which is hardly receives any typins these days because of this right to left thing

Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
They will dname كوم . to .com, to avoid a phishing nightmare - which can potentially end careers.... This is more than just money, it is about failing on the job entirely.

ASCIIer thinking that .idn will be independent from .com is only wishful thinking.

not only ASCIIers ... but also late comer natives as I see with arab who wish to catch better names if there is any new landrush

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fka200
I agree. I can't wait till نت (net) extension is IDN'd. كوم sounds like sh!t. I've spent the last 4 months researching this TLD issue, and I've come to interesting conclusions. From asking random people on the street to a bit more ridiculous things (in the Middle East of course).

be careful many here own alof of sh*t you are describing....

you also are listing many of them here

http://www.xn--mgbajs8hhhot.com/arabic-domains.html

it is really very disappointing to read a message like this from an educated IDNer !

peace

jacksonm 15th October 2007 06:21 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Can't wait to hear dabsi's comment.

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Rubber Duck 15th October 2007 06:31 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacksonm
Can't wait to hear dabsi's comment.

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You mean the World's Most Famous Arabic Domainer?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fka200
I agree. I can't wait till نت (net) extension is IDN'd. كوم sounds like sh!t. I've spent the last 4 months researching this TLD issue, and I've come to interesting conclusions. From asking random people on the street to a bit more ridiculous things (in the Middle East of course).

Perhaps you should spend a little time researching what Verisign proposed originally!

jacksonm 15th October 2007 06:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck
You mean the World's Most Famous Arabic Domainer?!

She has a few top names, but strangely does not believe in them. I think she should sell them to me on the cheap!

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Rubber Duck 15th October 2007 06:42 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacksonm
She has a few top names, but strangely does not believe in them. I think she should sell them to me on the cheap!

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Flipper!

Of course her other problem is that she believes what those fools at Sedo tell her!

Fka200 15th October 2007 06:47 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Dave, can you explain a little bit? Maybe I missed something or am not thinking clearly this early in the morning...

Rubber Duck 15th October 2007 06:55 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fka200
Dave, can you explain a little bit? Maybe I missed something or am not thinking clearly this early in the morning...

The original proposals were for single characters.

alpha 15th October 2007 07:12 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by domainguru
You should care. Hundreds of thousands of people across the globe will access these test URLs and lose confidence in the whole IDN thing. They get promised domains in their own language and all they see is xn--.xn--, how disappointing is that?

Maybe if this testbed shines an embarrassingly bright spotlight on Mozilla's whitelisting policy, some good will come out of it.

Looks like Mozilla are going to cover up this fiasco..

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397803

"ICANN are starting a test of IDN in the root.
http://icann.org/announcements/annou...-2-19jun07.htm
This involves adding 11 test TLDs to the root, so software can be tested to see
if it works with them.

We should add these 11 "test" TLDs to our IDN whitelist, to allow Firefox users
to participate fully in the test. Once the TLDs are removed from the root at
the end of the test period, we can remove them again."

Rubber Duck 15th October 2007 07:17 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Well with Opera being heralded as the only Browser that works properly, I guess they were feeling some heat. I guess they will be feeling a lot more soon!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphamale
Looks like Mozilla are going to cover up this fiasco..

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397803

"ICANN are starting a test of IDN in the root.
http://icann.org/announcements/annou...-2-19jun07.htm
This involves adding 11 test TLDs to the root, so software can be tested to see
if it works with them.

We should add these 11 "test" TLDs to our IDN whitelist, to allow Firefox users
to participate fully in the test. Once the TLDs are removed from the root at
the end of the test period, we can remove them again."


Fka200 15th October 2007 07:53 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck
The original proposals were for single characters.


Ahhh, yes. Totally forgot about that. I don't see that working out as well as having نت and كوم.

Rubber Duck 15th October 2007 07:59 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fka200
Ahhh, yes. Totally forgot about that. I don't see that working out as well as having نت and كوم.

I don't think it matters a great deal. Arabic will be a home run for dot com if they can only get IDN.IDN in any shape or form.

jacksonm 15th October 2007 08:15 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphamale
Looks like Mozilla are going to cover up this fiasco..

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397803

"ICANN are starting a test of IDN in the root.
http://icann.org/announcements/annou...-2-19jun07.htm
This involves adding 11 test TLDs to the root, so software can be tested to see
if it works with them.

We should add these 11 "test" TLDs to our IDN whitelist, to allow Firefox users
to participate fully in the test. Once the TLDs are removed from the root at
the end of the test period, we can remove them again."


It's a bit late now. By the time they get a release out and on desktops, the testbed will have been shut down.

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Rubber Duck 15th October 2007 08:18 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacksonm
It's a bit late now. By the time they get a release out and on desktops, the testbed will have been shut down.

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Excellent.

Even more heat!

I just love the arbituary way this decision was handled!

g 15th October 2007 08:20 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
I donno may be there is some cultural differences

In egypt we prefer .com over anything else

some people from gulf area may prefer .net as you see with aljazeera.net


but another theory supports arabic .com adoption is that many sites are working with .com.xx as country codes like

.com.eg
.com.sa
.com.kw ......etc

Fka200 15th October 2007 08:26 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by g
I donno may be there is some cultural differences

In egypt we prefer .com over anything else

some people from gulf area may prefer .net as you see with aljazeera.net


but another theory supports arabic .com adoption is that many sites are working with .com.xx as country codes like

.com.eg
.com.sa
.com.kw ......etc

There is a definite cultural difference in the Middle East in regards to tld. It gets a little confusing, but I figure in the end it is a win-win situation which makes it worthwhile.

jacksonm 15th October 2007 08:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck
Excellent.

Even more heat!

I just love the arbituary way this decision was handled!

You've just coined a new word, congrats! Arbitrary leading to obituary :-)

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g 15th October 2007 08:31 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
ok, how about the left to right or right to left problem for idn.com. Is this a problem at all?

idn.com(idn) will put an end to this problem as you will write the name easily in one direction.

burnsinternet 15th October 2007 08:42 PM

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Quote:

The 11 evaluation wikis will remain online until IDNs are fully implemented and the first top-level domain is introduced in the evaluation language.
The evaluation language? Mystery.

yanni 15th October 2007 08:54 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Quote:

the first top-level domain is introduced
Bigger mystery.

jose 15th October 2007 09:27 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Perhaps ICANN can put some pressure on Verisign to publish a policy to registrars regarding which types of mixed script registrations are acceptable and which are not.

Isn't that the perfect task for the IDN association?

OPERA RULEZ!

alexd 15th October 2007 09:32 PM

Re: Arabic dream has become a reality !!
 
Just tried the Greek page there ... http://παράδειγμα.δοκιμή on Opera, and the address in the toolbar actually shows as ....

http://παράδειγμα.δοκιμή/Αρχική_σελίδα ( Αρχικη Σελιδα meaning Home Page ).

If Opera can get this working, whats the problem with Firefox and IE giving us the same thing ??

It does look like a step in the right direction.

Alex


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