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Old 15th October 2007, 04:56 PM
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Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

Chinese idn.com will benefit if there is no dname!

Because any promotion work done for idn.idn will end up giving free traffic to idn.com.


Take example, if they decide to issue a chinese .idn (e.g. .商务 or .commerce), the .com will get the traffic instead. Any chinese reader will know that a name like 花店.商务 (flowershop.commercial) is crappy. 花店.com looks much nicer.


Compare:

花店.com
花店.商务



tell me, which looks more pleasant? remember that chinese characters are full words, so 花店.商务 is flowershop.commerce.

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Old 15th October 2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

Any IDN.IDN promotion will benefit IDN.com, as it increases user's propensity to type in native language. So, it should benefit the other IDN.coms as well.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

Touchring... .com will go IDN.IDN (as will the other extensions).

The boys and I sat down over baijiu and agreed it the other night... on the 3rd bottle we all decided on calling it .comrade... as sort of fits nicely and looks great - needless to say we were all calling each other 同志 by that time as well!!!... ).

花点。同志

LOL - stop worrying my friend... what will be, will be...

Take care and cheers, Asiaplay

PS: I am sure Explorer agrees with his choice of icon here

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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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Any IDN.IDN promotion will benefit IDN.com, as it increases user's propensity to type in native language. So, it should benefit the other IDN.coms as well.


Sure, but it will benefit chinese most as there is no chinese translation or transliteration for dot com.

To understand, one must know a bit of Mandarin. There is no character or combination of 2 characters that can even vaguely sound like COM.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

Chinese IDN.IDN will have much more resonance if there is only a single character after the dot. Chinese talk in couplets but the dot is part of the couplet. Also Chinese use two symbols for given names but only one for Surnames. Having two and then two separated by the dot just isn't going to flow naturally.

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Chinese idn.com will benefit if there is no dname!

Because any promotion work done for idn.idn will end up giving free traffic to idn.com.


Take example, if they decide to issue a chinese .idn (e.g. .商务 or .commerce), the .com will get the traffic instead. Any chinese reader will know that a name like 花店.商务 (flowershop.commercial) is crappy. 花店.com looks much nicer.


Compare:

花店.com
花店.商务



tell me, which looks more pleasant? remember that chinese characters are full words, so 花店.商务 is flowershop.commerce.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

Long live .net dname mapping to 。网

It's the only hope for a reasonable .IDN extension. Everything else sounds ridiculous.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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Long live .net dname mapping to 。网

It's the only hope for a reasonable .IDN extension. Everything else sounds ridiculous.
I managed to get this point across to the top man at Verisign sometime ago.

We will see whether they listened.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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Long live .net dname mapping to 。网

It's the only hope for a reasonable .IDN extension. Everything else sounds ridiculous.

Yes, but 。网 still loses to 。com.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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Yes, but 。网 still loses to 。com.
But Dot Com does lose out at all if all other Version are pointed straight at it!

Anyway you are all missing the point. DNAME is just a form of delivery of Aliasing. It is not the principle of Aliasing.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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But Dot Com does lose out at all if all other Version are pointed straight at it!

Anyway you are all missing the point. DNAME is just a form of delivery of Aliasing. It is not the principle of Aliasing.
Exactly Rubberduck... which is why it is a political race which is yet to hit the tables... it will be decided on how smart Verisign and others who run the gTLD extensions are (and how well informed they are on languages and the possible best IDN extensions) and on whether those who control each language (i.e. Governments) agree with their proposed choices or challenge them into the ground.

This is why "comrade" was also a pun on the politics to come as well as a play on communism and .com (and perhaps drunken nights getting support - lol)...

Cheers, Asiaplay

PS: hopefully this is sorted out quickly - but with this possible scenario above, this may be worse than deciding if DNAME was safe or would break the Internet and make DNAME process look like a walk in the park!

All I know is I am unlikely to be called for consultation - so I will go with the flow on this (you on the other hand seem to be friends with Versign's top lad - so perhaps should be discussing with them in more depth ).
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

You are working on a false premise if you assume Government control languages.



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Exactly Rubberduck... which is why it is a political race which is yet to hit the tables... it will be decided on how smart Verisign and others who run the gTLD extensions are (and how well informed they are on languages and the possible best IDN extensions) and on whether those who control each language (i.e. Governments) agree with their proposed choices or challenge them into the ground.

This is why "comrade" was also a pun on the politics to come as well as a play on communism and .com (and perhaps drunken nights getting support - lol)...

Cheers, Asiaplay

PS: hopefully this is sorted out quickly - but with this possible scenario above, this may be worse than deciding if DNAME was safe or would break the Internet and make DNAME process look like a walk in the park!

All I know is I am unlikely to be called for consultation - so I will go with the flow on this (you on the other hand seem to be friends with Versign's top lad - so perhaps should be discussing with them in more depth ).
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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You are working on a false premise if you assume Government control languages.
Like to see you explain that to the Chinese Government for Simplified Chinese - lol - haha...

No problem Rubberduck - ya will win in the end... and deserve to... as been the number one advocate for IDNs as I see it, for a long time (and have the guts to put ya money where your mouth is - so have my respect and hope all ends up win/win)...

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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

花店.網 better than 花店.商務
but it's hard to compare 花店.網 with 花店.com
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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花店.網 better than 花店.商務
but it's hard to compare 花店.網 with 花店.com

Using Mandarin (pinyin),

1. hua dian dian wang.

2. hua dian dian com.


One question, is 花店網.com (hua dian wang dian com) better than 花店.網 ?

.com is an extension, the chinese language already uses latin for many extensions like NT$, kg, cm, HK$, m, etc.

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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

.網 is really a nice extension.
maybe many people have no idn.com will cause people into idn.網
beause no need to switch keybord and sound good and say,
also .網 means web site but .net not(actually it is but it is not in chinese)





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Using Mandarin (pinyin),

1. hua dian dian wang.

2. hua dian dian com.


One question, is 花店網.com (hua dian wang dian com) better than 花店.網 ?

.com is an extension, the chinese language already uses latin for many extensions like NT$, kg, cm, HK$, m, etc.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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.網 is really a nice extension.
maybe many people have no idn.com will cause people into idn.網
beause no need to switch keybord and sound good and say,
also .網 means web site but .net not(actually it is but it is not in chinese)

I don't need to switch keyboard to type chinese.com, not sure if you tried that?

Firefox supported this from the beginning, and i think IE7 also right now. They basically automatically switch keys for you, after typing the DOT.

--> ok i checked, this seems to work only for quanyin ime and only for firefox.

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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

Are you posting because you're worried about all the activity going on at Domain.cn?

http://www.domain.cn/club/viewthread...extra=page%3D1


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Chinese idn.com will benefit if there is no dname!

Because any promotion work done for idn.idn will end up giving free traffic to idn.com.


Take example, if they decide to issue a chinese .idn (e.g. .商务 or .commerce), the .com will get the traffic instead. Any chinese reader will know that a name like 花店.商务 (flowershop.commercial) is crappy. 花店.com looks much nicer.


Compare:

花店.com
花店.商务



tell me, which looks more pleasant? remember that chinese characters are full words, so 花店.商务 is flowershop.commerce.
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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I don't need to switch keyboard to type chinese.com, not sure if you tried that?

Firefox supported this from the beginning, and i think IE7 also right now. They basically automatically switch keys for you, after typing the DOT.

--> ok i checked, this seems to work only for quanyin ime and only for firefox.
I don't need to switch keybord as well.
but we can't represent all the chinese people.

Firefox was not full support for IDN
refer to this thread: http://www.idnclub.com/showthread.php?t=5241

(for others member:I wouldn't like to translate all the thread):p
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

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Are you posting because you're worried about all the activity going on at Domain.cn?

http://www.domain.cn/club/viewthread...extra=page%3D1

I'm not worried, these are domainers, they are busy drop catching .cn to flip, and will vote for whatever they are currently trying to sell.

Btw, i list the thread titles on the first 3 pages of the forum that uses .cn and .中国. .com excluded. You can count the number of .cn versus .中国.

They are at the liberty to use either form:


时尚.CN 接受报价 -> .CN
志愿者.中国 大家评评 -> .中国
有人认识这个人吗,俞灏明.CN,认识的亏本价格100元拿去 - [阅读权限 1] -> .CN
易名中文.cn预定到底什么规则? -> .CN
海口房产.cn ( 1 2 ) -> .CN
巴彦淖尔.中国 街机.中国 搜刮.中国 3D彩票.中国出售 -> .中国
我想卖一个域名 性息.cn 300元. -> .CN
医学医药.中国(300W) -> .中国
纪实.cn -> .CN
“公务机.com/.net/.cn”大全套,欢迎搭乘公务机 -> .CN
百度热门竟价词:节电产品.cn 100元出让了,不准备要了 -> .CN
水口卫浴.cn -> .CN
谁知道哪里的中文.CN注册最便宜? -> .CN
我查后未注册中文.cn米表,有没有你喜欢的 - [阅读权限 5] -> .CN
推荐一个 免验证码的whois查询工具 (支持中文.cn) -> .CN
我的领地.cn - 100元就出手 -> .CN
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Re: Chinese idn.com to benefit if there is no dname.

Have you been watching the forum over the last 2 days?

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I'm not worried, these are domainers, they are busy drop catching .cn to flip, and will vote for whatever they are currently trying to sell.

Btw, i list the thread titles on the first 3 pages of the forum that uses .cn and .中国. .com excluded. You can count the number of .cn versus .中国.

They are at the liberty to use either form:


时尚.CN 接受报价 -> .CN
志愿者.中国 大家评评 -> .中国
有人认识这个人吗,俞灏明.CN,认识的亏本价格100元拿去 - [阅读权限 1] -> .CN
易名中文.cn预定到底什么规则? -> .CN
海口房产.cn ( 1 2 ) -> .CN
巴彦淖尔.中国 街机.中国 搜刮.中国 3D彩票.中国出售 -> .中国
我想卖一个域名 性息.cn 300元. -> .CN
医学医药.中国(300W) -> .中国
纪实.cn -> .CN
“公务机.com/.net/.cn”大全套,欢迎搭乘公务机 -> .CN
百度热门竟价词:节电产品.cn 100元出让了,不准备要了 -> .CN
水口卫浴.cn -> .CN
谁知道哪里的中文.CN注册最便宜? -> .CN
我查后未注册中文.cn米表,有没有你喜欢的 - [阅读权限 5] -> .CN
推荐一个 免验证码的whois查询工具 (支持中文.cn) -> .CN
我的领地.cn - 100元就出手 -> .CN
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