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So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

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Old 17th October 2007, 09:33 AM
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

I got a handful. Still trying to build up my .cn. Not easy to buy at the moment. :o

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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

I have registered some as well, but prefer .com. There are a good few closet .cn holders here.
Some that warn others about the perils are registering .cn for themselves at the same time :o
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

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That's an interesting theory. Scaring others but registering at the same time.
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

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That's an interesting theory. Scaring others but registering at the same time.
Market manipulation is rife. Talking down values is a major activity here as elsewhere!
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

The IDN market seems pretty slow right now...
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Old 18th October 2007, 05:39 AM
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

I am a chinese. I have some IDN.cn registered. According to my experience,give the advice as follows:

About the safety of the idn.cn, I think you don't need worry about it at all.
Only when the new registered domain which violates CNNIC's registration agreement, the domain may be deleted by 16 days from Creation Date.
Old domains is very safe.

That's mean,if the domain registered on 01-aug-2007,the danger of being deleted only exist before 16-aug-2007.
I think the domain which get through the 16 days checkup period is very safe.
You can check those IDN.cn
彩票.cn
房产.cn
地产.cn
汽车.cn
旅游.cn
So good domains are also safe.
Even some pornographic domains are safe enough.
Such as:
性.cn
性爱.cn
援交.cn

Warning:
Do avoid the domains which refer to politics,polity,institution(like the name of university).
When you choose IDN.cn,reg or buy,try to avoid the domains which refer to politics,polity,institution(like the name of university),trademark and so on.

Other domains are no problem as long as get through the 16 days checkup period.
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

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The IDN market seems pretty slow right now...

It's slow because there is no trust.

First you got people saying, after 30 days no deletion, and believers paid big premiums for .cn, despite subtle warnings posted on the forum.

But warnings of this sort rarely works because of the reverse psychology effect - the belief that the warnings are purposely given out to press down the seller's market.

A month later, some buyers revealed that names of all sorts that disappearing. For every reported name, there maybe 10 others not reported. Believers that got caught, and paid for premium names are now disappointed, so they withdraw from the market.

In face of falling confidence, sellers start reasoning - that only certain kinds of names can be deleted after 30 days, like those of schools, universities, etc. And even some adult names that are not "too adult" are safe also.

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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

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Market manipulation is rife. Talking down values is a major activity here as elsewhere!
Dog eat dog, especially in here.

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Old 18th October 2007, 07:16 AM
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

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It's slow because there is no trust.

First you got people saying, after 30 days no deletion, and believers paid big premiums for .cn, despite subtle warnings posted on the forum.

A month later, some buyers revealed that names of all sorts that disappearing. For every reported name, there maybe 10 others not reported.

After that, sellers start reasoning, only certain kinds of names can be deleted after 30 days, like those of schools, universities, etc. And even some adult names that are not "too adult" are safe.


我很乐于和来自五湖四海世界各地的朋友们讨论关于 IDN.cn 的话题。
由于我的英语水平有限,所以这次我选择用我的母语进一步表达我的观点。

作为我个人来言,我欣赏IDN.com的程度超过IDN.cn,我非常赞同Giant兄的格言:
Dot Com is King, IDN.com will be king. ccTLD will be queen.

但我同时也非常看好优秀的IDN.cn,尤其是商业价值较高的词汇,同样具有非常巨大的投资潜力。

谈到关于IDN.cn的风险问题,事实上是这样: 新注册的.cn按照规定有16天的审核期,审核期内,如果CNNIC发现该域名违反相关规定,会予以删除,并全额退还注册费。所谓的风险,不过如此。
而注册已久的老域名,是非常安全的,CNNIC无权删除,他们也不会那么不讲规则。
除非因知识产权问题惹上了官司,那么这种风险是普遍存在于任何一个后缀的域名中的。
要说风险,就是在新注册后(包括原来被人注册到期删除的,又被你注册到的)16天内存在无法通过审核的风险。一旦通过审核,而域名本身和其使用又无严重涉及政治、民族利益和国家安全的情况下,一般不会再有被无故删除的风险。
CNNIC确实管理的非常严格,不仅中文.cn,英文.cn也是这样。具体参照以下规定:
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          《中国互联网络域名管理办法》
第二十七条 任何组织或个人注册和使用的域名,不得含有下列内容:
(一)反对宪法所确定的基本原则的;
(二)危害国家安全,泄露国家秘密,颠覆国家政权,破坏国家统一的;
(三)损害国家荣誉和利益的;
(四)煽动民族仇恨、民族歧视,破坏民族团结的;
(五)破坏国家宗教政策,宣扬邪教和封建迷信的;
(六)散布谣言,扰乱社会秩序,破坏社会稳定的;
(七)散布淫秽、色情、赌博、暴力、凶杀、恐怖或者教唆犯罪的;
(八)侮辱或者诽谤他人,侵害他人合法权益的;
(九)含有法律、行政法规禁止的其他内容的。
上面有的朋友提到保障的问题,我只是希望表达自己的观点和看法。其实域名(IDN)作为一项投资,本身就是有风险的,任何投资都是如此。譬如说,现在$10000成交的IDN,将来就价值$20000或者$50000吗?谁也无法做出这种承诺。
同样, IDN.cn域名被删除的风险众所周知,但事实上,并非CNNIC任意而为,那样未免夸大了风险。他们并不敢随意删除一个通过审核期的域名,毕竟还有法律。他们也是官方的机构,虽然有些过于严厉的规定,但不至于完全不守规则。
了解完以上的情况,选择注册或不注册,购买或不购买的同时,就要为自己做出是否选择承担风险的抉择。自己的选择,自己的风险。没有人有义务对此做出任何承诺和保证。

我们国内一位较为有名的域名投资人,他有一句格言:“冲动付学费,冷静失商机。”我也很欣赏这句话,并一直作为自己的座右铭时时提醒自己。
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

I agree with Touchring that the main issue is the trust that is lacking.

Being not as long in the idn game as some others the discussions about deletions of idn.cn's made me cautious.

Whether that's correct or not is a different question.

@IRC explains his view very eloquently in Chinese and if I understood it correctly his point is that as long as you stay out of the political etc areas and your domain makes it past the 16 days you have a very fair chance of being safe provided there are no Intl. property rights involved. And rightly so, he adds that investments always have risks, which is true.

I do think however that despite that, there also may be some truth to RD's words

"Market manipulation is rife. Talking down values is a major activity here as elsewhere!" or like Jacksonm says "Dog eat dog, especially in here.",

This current confusion (at least for me and lack of trust doesn't really help this marketplace go forward and long term some basis of trust needs to be there, in order for IDN's and in this case specifically Chinese IDN's to have a chance to become mainstream which in the end of the day will benefit all the investors spending time on this forum.

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Old 18th October 2007, 09:43 AM
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Re: So does anyone here have idn .cn names?

chineseidn兄,您好!

我还是用母语吧,虽然这样朋友们也许看的时候不够方便,但可能更好的表达我的意思。主要是我写的时候没有障碍,速度可以快一点。

CNNIC的严厉众所周知,风险是存在的,新注册后的16天的审核期内,经常有不能通过审核的域名被删除。比如我曾经注册过一个“总理.cn”在我账户里呆过7天,我庆幸的以为可以过关了。但不幸的是随后被删除了。后来又被列入了禁止注册列表。不过注册时的费用是全额退还的。
但我在中国国内那么长时间以来,域名投资圈里,从来没有听任何一个朋友说过通过审核期之后的域名还有被删除的。
所以我的观点是,风险是存在的,既不能忽视,也没必要夸大。

同时,我非常理解chineseidn兄和其他对.cn持有观望态度的朋友的立场,上次chineseidn兄已经和我谈妥并达成交易的那个中文 IDN.cn,我随后也在论坛公布已经售出,可惜chineseidn兄最后在付款之前又告诉我放弃交易了。对于此,我非常理解您的立场和感受。我认为,友谊是第一位的,我应该与人为善,体谅别人的处境。既然您不愿意“冒险”,我不会强求。

唯一给我带来尴尬的是,我已经公开声明那个域名售出了,但事实上域名还在我手中,这让我非常被动。我希望以后再有交易的时候不要被其他朋友误会,如果别人认为我曾宣布的是一个虚假的交易,从而影响我个人的信用,那样我就有口难辩了。

Anyhow,国外我不清楚状况,但根据我所了解,在国内IDN域名的热度逐渐上升。国内好的IDN.cn高价难求。而且,中文域名在网友和企业中的认知度也逐步提高,中文域名尤其是 中文.com 的流量也在稳步上升。这对我们大家来说,无疑都是好消息。Dot Com is King, IDN.com will be king. ccTLD will be queen. 目前我仍然认同这个观点,同时我也认为,优秀的IDN.cctld也有非常广阔的前景。

愿与更多关注和喜欢中文IDN的朋友交流,分享经验与体会。
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