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Old 28th October 2007, 02:59 PM
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IDN Status Report released

http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-28oct07.htm
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Re: IDN Status Report released

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Step # 9 on graph is "deployment" of IDNs.

Sure would be nice to have prefaced that paragraph with mention that IDNs are working and in use today with .com, .net,.jp, .cn etc.
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Step # 9 on graph is "deployment" of IDNs.

Sure would be nice to have prefaced that paragraph with mention that IDNs are working and in use today with .com, .net,.jp, .cn etc.
no you stand incorrect

it is deployment of IDN tlds..

.com in japanese etc which currently does not exist
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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no you stand incorrect
it is deployment of IDN tlds..
.com in japanese etc which currently does not exist
I realize that...my point is that it does NOT recognize that idn.com, idn.net etc. exist today.
As long as people are under the impression that it is all still a big experiment they will
continue to wait for the green light that the system is a "go".

ICANN would serve themselves better by stating that idn.com, idn.cc etc. are live and in use today
and that they are working to also bring idn.idn into the DNS system at this time.
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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I realize that...my point is that it does NOT recognize that idn.com, idn.net etc. exist today.
As long as people are under the impression that it is all still a big experiment they will
continue to wait for the green light that the system is a "go".

ICANN would serve themselves better by stating that idn.com, idn.cc etc. are live and in use today
and that they are working to also bring idn.idn into the DNS system at this time.
they are only testing idn tlds - t hey aren't doing mapping policy - it would come later however it should have been put on the chart - "tolerance w/ existing idn .com etc"
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Old 29th October 2007, 01:17 AM
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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I realize that...my point is that it does NOT recognize that idn.com, idn.net etc. exist today.
As long as people are under the impression that it is all still a big experiment they will
continue to wait for the green light that the system is a "go".

ICANN would serve themselves better by stating that idn.com, idn.cc etc. are live and in use today
and that they are working to also bring idn.idn into the DNS system at this time.

They are more concerned with IDN TLDS than the current .com/.net tlds.
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Old 29th October 2007, 01:29 AM
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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They are more concerned with IDN TLDS than the current .com/.net tlds.

Probably what any commercial organization will do, promote what you intend to launch!!! :o
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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They are more concerned with IDN TLDS than the current .com/.net tlds.
r.i.p. idn .com
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Old 29th October 2007, 01:35 AM
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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r.i.p. idn .com

.net/.biz/.info.

Would love for Tina Dam to explain things a bit further to see what's going on in the meetings that say CLOSED.
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Probably what any commercial organization will do, promote what you intend to launch!!! :o
Well I hope they have consulted Verisign on all this.

After all, Verisign has a history of holding its ground...check this out from a few years ago.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02...s_icann_bluff/
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Old 29th October 2007, 01:38 AM
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Re: IDN Status Report released

They are definitely agressive about launching IDN TLDs in gTLD + ccTLD. If they put in this much effort to let everyone know IDNs already exist in .com/.net, things might have unrolled differently (I was going to ask why they don't acknowledge existence of IDNs in .com/.net, but it didn't fit with the program).
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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r.i.p. idn .com
Not so fast...Verisign isn't going to roll over on this. And the local registries want their bit of the action too.
And ICANN should try to make sure everyone keeps a similar stake in the domains space as it is today with .com, .jp, .cn etc.
only with their negotiated versions of .idn.

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They are definitely agressive about launching IDN TLDs in gTLD + ccTLD. If they put in this much effort to let everyone know IDNs already exist in .com/.net, things might have unrolled differently.
People are going to figure it out...the question is if idn.com becomes idn.idn and how that happens.
I would not be surprised at all to see Verisign rear their head very soon.

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Old 29th October 2007, 01:41 AM
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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Not so fast...Verisign isn't going to roll over on this. And the local registries want their bit of the action too.



People are going to figure it out...the question is if idn.com becomes idn.idn and how that happens. I would not be surprised to see Verisign make their move very soon.
Well not exactly RIP IDN.COM/NET/BIZ/ETC. It will SURELY exist. It's just the way they want idn.idn to exist is fu*kin ludacris. Co-existence is what they envision.

I can say the IDN segment of the presentation was the one with the most questions and lasted 45minutes (in 1.5 hours meeting) --> but it did have the most info.
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Re: IDN Status Report released

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Not so fast...Verisign isn't going to roll over on this. And the local registries want their bit of the action too.



People are going to figure it out...the question is if idn.com becomes idn.idn and how that happens. I would not be surprised to see Verisign make their move very soon.
local registries would rather have .idn cause they make money on all the new regs instead of idn.com which is now slow.
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Re: IDN Status Report released

It would be nice to hear from a Verisign official, in regards to the concerns of the members of this forum.....

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People are going to figure it out...the question is if idn.com becomes idn.idn

Supposedly there is no question. It seems like they already decided.
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Supposedly there is no question. It seems like they already decided.
Yes, so it seems...but we have yet to hear from Verisign directly.
Maybe it is just a given that they will be protected on the .com (and .com/idn) namespace.

Verisign put forth this proposal in December 2005 on how the idn space should work.
While lots of other proposals are skirting around, be interested to see what Verisign sees as the best current solution:

http://www.icann.org/announcements/p...ld-12dec05.pdf

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Re: IDN Status Report released

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Yes, so it seems...but we have yet to hear from Verisign directly.
Maybe it is just a given that they will be protected on the .com (and .com/idn) namespace.

Verisign put forth this proposal in December 2005 on how the idn space should work:

http://www.icann.org/announcements/p...ld-12dec05.pdf
What does Verisign have to do with it? It will be a new tld. It doesn't seem as if they will be using transliterations and such so it won't confuse users (that was one point on their list-> the new tlds should not be confused with current tlds). They were also talking about which organization within a country will get rights to get the registrations for the IDN.IDN(ccTLD) and such.
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What does Verisign have to do with it? It will be a new tld. It doesn't seem as if they will be using transliterations and such so it won't confuse users (that was one point on their list-> the new tlds should not be confused with current tlds).
Verisign manages the .com space and will mostly control what ever or however this "new" tld is put into the DNS.
I am certain they will not be giving up their dominant postion or brand with idns. Verbage that has come forward
in the last weeks makes it clear that there can be nothing "strikingly or confusingly" similar to the .com that is not
going to be controlled by Verisign.
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Re: IDN Status Report released

What is the exact wording that says they will be new tlds?
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