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Old 12th March 2006, 03:30 PM
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Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

http://www.baidu.com/s?ie=gb2312&bs=...%AA%CF%C3&ct=0

Take a look at the 4th link on the right. Is that what I think it is?

How can I delete this thread? It posted twice.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

Yes it is. Interesting how they put the address as www.华厦市政.中国 even though most people can't access that (actually I don't think anyone can access the domain name yet using the address - maybe with a plug-in?).

Very nice. Thanks for the link.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

aha! How do you stumble on this?

北京宣武华厦市政工程有限..
本公司市政公用工程施工总承包贰级,机电设备安装工程专业承包叁级
www.华厦市政.中国

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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

Was searching to see if there are any valuable drops available. 华厦 is dropping today, so I type that into baidu.com and....
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See. Guess that one user at least would want that drop
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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Yes it is. Interesting how they put the address as www.华厦市政.中国 even though most people can't access that (actually I don't think anyone can access the domain name yet using the address - maybe with a plug-in?).

Very nice. Thanks for the link.
Should work from within China since 1st March if you use one of the major ISPs as I understand things.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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Should work from within China since 1st March if you use one of the major ISPs as I understand things.
Maybe I haven't been following China as closely as others, what happened since March 1st that allows users to access IDN domains?

If that is the case, this will be interesting base case to see how quickly companies and marketing and users adapt.
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Should work from within China since 1st March if you use one of the major ISPs as I understand things.
Very good news.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

Is the advertised site i.e. "华厦市政.中国" the same as "华厦市政.com"? Or as "华厦市政.cn"? Or something else entirely?
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it corresponds to .cn
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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Should work from within China since 1st March if you use one of the major ISPs as I understand things.
All ISPs are told to resolve by the 1st March, but not all have done so by then, and even a few days after. I've not checked the status, but i believe they would all resolve by the end of the month. Nonetheless, a user still needs an idn enabled browser to access the country idn tlds.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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Nonetheless, a user still needs an idn enabled browser to access the country idn tlds.
I guess they do not need the IDN enabled brower to access their intranet IDN TLDs. The ISP name server can pick up both unicode and punycode queries.

In korea. the most isp name server hijack the address box's unicode keywords which do not have extensions.

This ISP's unicode hijacking service has given another deep pain to IDN.com owners past 5 years....
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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I guess they do not need the IDN enabled brower to access their intranet IDN TLDs. The ISP name server can pick up both unicode and punycode queries.

In korea. the most isp name server hijack the address box's unicode keywords which do not have extensions.

This ISP's unicode hijacking service has given another deep pain to IDN.com owners past 5 years....
I think you are correct. That's what I heard from China too.

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Is the advertised site i.e. "华厦市政.中国" the same as "华厦市政.com"? Or as "华厦市政.cn"? Or something else entirely?
No, 华厦市政.com is not registered yet. but 华厦市政.中国 and 华厦市政.cn are the same, both being forwarded to xwhxsz.com.

Wait a second. 华厦市政.中国 can't access from Canada.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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I think you are correct. That's what I heard from China too.

华厦市政.中国 = 华厦市政.中国.cn

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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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I think you are correct. That's what I heard from China too.

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华厦市政.中国 = 华厦市政.中国.cn
No, sorry, can't access from here. (without change the DNS)
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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I guess they do not need the IDN enabled brower to access their intranet IDN TLDs. The ISP name server can pick up both unicode and punycode queries.

In korea. the most isp name server hijack the address box's unicode keywords which do not have extensions.

This ISP's unicode hijacking service has given another deep pain to IDN.com owners past 5 years....
This hijacking is serious, does it mean that even now, idn.com is redirected to the ISP's advertisers?

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华厦市政.中国 = 华厦市政.中国.cn

华厦市政.中国 = 华厦市政.cn

.中国 is basically .China or .cn.

You can't access .中国 from outside China. Outside China, you have to use .cn, at least until ICANN supports .中国 officially.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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华厦市政.中国 = 华厦市政.cn
Sorry... I tried to say...

中国語.公司 = 中国語.公司.cn
中国語.網絡 = 中国語.網絡.cn
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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Sorry... I tried to say...

中国語.公司 = 中国語.公司.cn
中国語.網絡 = 中国語.網絡.cn
Yes, that's correct. Actually, there's more:

中国語.網絡 = 中国語.網絡.cn = 中国语.网络 = 中国语.网络.cn.

Somehow i feel that the .company.cn or .network.cn at the back doesn't fit in. It makes the domain look like a subdomain, which is really what it is.
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

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Somehow i feel that the .company.cn or .network.cn at the back doesn't fit in. It makes the domain look like a subdomain, which is really what it is.
The users never know they use subdomains or not....


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This hijacking is serious, does it mean that even now, idn.com is redirected to the ISP's advertisers?

Chinese gov. can hijack or intercept the Unicode queries for IE6 and the punycode queries for IE7 if they want it inside their country level intranet...

Outside of China can do a very limited actions for their intranet service...

I believe ICANN root server never been divided by Chinese gov. but they can intercept any queries by using isp name servers....
And now the Chinese gov. do it like private isp companies do it in Korea....

Only difference between china and Korea is Gov. Level service or private companies’ level service.

I imagine there are two solutions to prevent or restraint this intranet isp name server service...
A new IETF's international standard or MS’s browser gives some advantages ICANN's extensions over the Chinese extensions...
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Re: Marketing is waking up to IDNs in China?

The Chinese government is intercepting those queries with the extension .中国, .公司 and .网络, and forwarding to their own name servers. I do not think ISPs in China can intercept .com on their own since that would need clearance from the government. Most realname solutions in China are browser plugin based and limited in reach.

In any event, China already has idn.公司, there's no need to redirect idn.com since it already got an upperhand.

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