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Old 12th March 2006, 11:07 PM
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Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

Hi! I was discussing with some guys about the possible japanese IDN.IDN , do you guys have any official information about possible japanese extensions? I couldnt find anything official about this, i just find people guessing about it. If some of you already have some available -official or trustworthy- information -not rumors-, can you share it?

My worry is .com, will it become .会社 as some people are saying?I wouldnt think so. .jp is obvious will become 。日本 .If you dont get it, .会社 is not a good name for many domains, specially for people with domains like ローン会社.com as they will get ローン会社。会社 which sounds terrible in japanese, ローン.会社 would sound very good in this case. The same with 音楽.会社 that literally reads music company, instead it would sound much better music.japan 音楽.日本? テレビ.会社 is another than sounds very different テレビ.日本 , テレビ。.net would sound very good for this one. .会社 is a real name, not a short version of com/mercial like .com Anyway im sure it is not going to be this way of using .会社 and people are just creating rumors on .会社

.net as .ネット ? any official? or at least very trustworthy information if there is nothing official about this.

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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

I really want to know too because it will really impact my portfolio...

Chinese IDN.IDN has exactly the same problem.

.com can be either ".公司" ".商" or ".世界", or something totally random like ".可" ; with each of these choices, some will be happy, some will be pissed off.

Personally, I feel that a random meaningless character ".可" will be the best. But I suspect the decision will be otherwise.
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Old 12th March 2006, 11:29 PM
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I really want to know too because it will really impact my portfolio...

Chinese IDN.IDN has exactly the same problem.

.com can be either ".公司" ".商" or ".世界", or something totally random like ".可" ; with each of these choices, some will be happy, some will be pissed off.

Personally, I feel that a random meaningless character ".可" will be the best. But I suspect the decision will be otherwise.
Would .空 be better? Some other possibilities, .坑 .肯, .孔 :^)

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Hi! I was discussing with some guys about the possible japanese IDN.IDN , do you guys have any official information about possible japanese extensions? I couldnt find anything official about this, i just find people guessing about it. If some of you already have some available -official or trustworthy- information -not rumors-, can you share it?

My worry is .com, will it become .会社 as some people are saying?I wouldnt think so. .jp is obvious will become 。日本 .If you dont get it, .会社 is not a good name for many domains, specially for people with domains like ローン会社.com as they will get ローン会社。会社 which sounds terrible in japanese, ローン.会社 would sound very good in this case. The same with 音楽.会社 that literally reads music company, instead it would sound much better music.japan 音楽.日本? テレビ.会社 is another than sounds very different テレビ.日本 , テレビ。.net would sound very good for this one. .会社 is a real name, not a short version of com/mercial like .com Anyway im sure it is not going to be this way of using .会社 and people are just creating rumors on .会社

.net as .ネット ? any official? or at least very trustworthy information if there is nothing official about this.

If JPNIC decides to follow China's step, and hijack .会社, then the remaining alternative is .コム.

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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

Cmon, Touchring, it is true and for me serious, because it certainly impacts the portfolio.
.会社 .日本 are words, not extensions. So you have to pronounce them, im sure you wouldnt like to be pronounced "photo company" but photo net or japan. The latin version sounds cool in japanese .jp and .com i like them when i pronounce in japanese but i know they will become .idn as well, so which one? thats the inquiry and worry..
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Cmon, Touchring, it is true and for me serious, because it certainly impacts the portfolio.
.会社 .日本 are words, not extensions. So you have to pronounce them, im sure you wouldnt like to be pronounced "photo company" but photo net or japan. The latin version sounds cool in japanese .jp and .com i like them when i pronounce in japanese but i know they will become .idn as well, so which one? thats the inquiry and worry..

.jp will for sure become .日本.

.com might become .会社 or .コム. So i believe .コム is more cool? Imagine mixing .会社 with an adult name - looks odd right?
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Would .空 be better? Some other possibilities, .坑 .肯, .孔 :^)

.坑 is a good one - LOL

(钱.坑 = money.pit)
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.坑 is a good one - LOL

(钱.坑 = money.pit)
There's also an adult meaning to that word. :O
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Imagine mixing .会社 with an adult name - looks odd right?
Thats the point, it looks odd and its pronounciation is also very odd with many domains.

Anyway the point is someone has trustworthy information? We can start guessing wether it will be .コム or anything else but it is tiring to guess. By the way, .コム doesnt look okay, so i wouldnt bet there. But at least it is meaningless compared to .会社 which would impact deeply the name of many domains. 

Official or trustworthy information, anyone?
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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

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Thats the point, it looks odd and its pronounciation is also very odd with many domains.

Anyway the point is someone has trustworthy information? We can start guessing wether it will be .コム or anything else but it is tiring to guess. By the way, .コム doesnt look okay, so i wouldnt bet there. But at least it is meaningless compared to .会社 which would impact deeply the name of many domains. 

Official or trustworthy information, anyone?
.会社 is used on the ICANN doc mr duck posted the other time.
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.会社 is used on the ICANN doc mr duck posted the other time.
If thats the case in the idn.idn for .com discussion, im screwed with many .com domains. Though that would make many of my .jp .日本 much better than many .会社

any other documents? I also read several saying .会社 but honestly i find .会社 very odd. Thats why i think is only guessing.
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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

Personally I think if the people making the decisions are in their right mind, they should NOT use "会社".

.co.jp can be mapped to "会社" because it is restricted to Japanese businesses (as I understood it). But .com has nothing to do with "会社". It really is the short for "world commerce" not "company"
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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

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Personally I think if the people making the decisions are in their right mind, they should NOT use "会社".

.co.jp can be mapped to "会社" because it is restricted to Japanese businesses (as I understood it). But .com has nothing to do with "会社". It really is the short for "world commerce" not "company"
I agree with you Kenne. Thats why im saying these documents or websites talking about .com as .会社 are rumors. I wouldnt like many .com domains to be bad now, as i said i think ローン会社.com would be now very bad compared to .jp, this one would be in .jp ローン会社.日本 and thats a lot of much better than ローン会社.会社 The same with many .com domains.
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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

I don't think there is a reason to panic and fear that Japanese IDN.coms will be worthless or have less value. .coms will always be .coms and ICANN/Verisign will try to map it the way to preserve its superiority.
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I don't think there is a reason to panic and fear that Japanese IDN.coms will be worthless or have less value. .coms will always be .coms and ICANN/Verisign will try to map it the way to preserve its superiority.
It is not about panic but facts. If the documents -that i think and i hope are rumors- saying .com as 。会社 thats very bad news for me. Do you have any information about this mapping you are talking? or you are just hoping .com will become a nice.idn because of Icann?

I mean i dont want to keep just guessing what Icann will try to do because we are registering now. we all need hints on the .com .idn discussions. Im not saying .日本 is much better but if all we know is .jp will be .日本 it seems safer haven to register .jp as i dont have to guess what it will occur to my .com if they truly become something terrible as .会社
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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

I'm waiting for solid information too. Meanwhile I just tried to balance my porfolio,
and keep my fingers crossed hoping that the ICANN people do the right thing.
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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

Nobody knows how exactly ICANN will map .com and what it will use in case of Japan, China, Russia or other countries. So, .日本 or 会社 or ネット are all rumors at this point. I am sure that ICANN will ask for a feedback from local businessmen, who are heavily invested in .com and will not let it diminish.
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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

I believe i'm ok with .会社 since most of my japanese domains are business categories taken from Yahoo like, ウイルス対策.com, 廃車.com, ファイアウォール.com?

Some of my adult domains may look strange with .会社 though.
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If JPNIC decides to follow China's step, and hijack .会社, then the remaining alternative is .コム.
Japan and Korea can not follow China's intranet step near future because they can not ignore the political influence of U.S. government.

And it is almost impossible to find IDN extensions better than .com...

Only negative point of .com is toggle key to change a character set..

However, we should find out the best IDNs to gain extra positive option and to restraint creating local .IDNs.

Other words, selection of good .IDN is very important to keep moving their current positions into the future.

Not an easy job to find out a good .IDN tho……….

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Re: Japanese Idn.Idn Possible versions? .日本?.会社?。ネット?

The most I think about it, the more I agree with hanidn.

".com" should not, and will not be translated into ". 会社", unless Japanese really want to confront and
spite the international internet community for no reason. ".co.jp" is the one that should be translated into ". 会社.日本"
and appropriately so.


Not sure about China though. ".com.cn" will likely become ".公司.中国";so
China might insist on ".com" become ".公司" if only to make it consistent.


But all this is just conjecture.
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The most I think about it, the more I agree with hanidn.

".com" should not, and will not be translated into ". 会社", unless Japanese really want to confront and
spite the international internet community for no reason. ".co.jp" is the one that should be translated into ". 会社.日本"
and appropriately so.


Not sure about China though. ".com.cn" will likely become ".公司.中国";so
China might insist on ".com" become ".公司" if only to make it consistent.


But all this is just conjecture.

.com.cn does not support idn.
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