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Old 22nd November 2007, 09:25 AM
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75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

I like this recent article about a survey that a company conducted among 300 people (breakdowns given in the article). Article is here

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...0033-inet-inet

Most interesting tidbits are that 25% of those 300 people surveyed had registered domain names. About 78.5% of them owned them for email and the rest for their own websites or blogs. And of those who owned one or more domain names, 73.6% owned .JP and 25.3% owned .COM with 8.8% owning .NET. The .JP owners reported that they trusted that in times of technical or administrative trouble relating to the domain they had confidence that those issues could be resolved in Japanese and not another language.
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Old 22nd November 2007, 09:35 AM
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

Great report Rhys.

Wish I'd invested more heavily in them while I had the chance, and there were more cherries available to pick!
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Old 22nd November 2007, 09:55 AM
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

I see it more & more, with simple jps being available it's only natural that new business owners & younger people are choosing dot jp.
I remember when dot jp was originally launched & business owners thought it was a sort of threat because the co.jp had to have the company status.
Younger generation will always use what fits them best, you have to keep up with what they think.
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

Thanks for the link rhys
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

this survey is ridiculous as hell.

the article is talking about "ordinary Internet users". 300 people that rhys described about are said to be representing Japanese "ordinary Internet users".

if one fourth of Japanese ordinary Internet users has registered domain names and 75% of which is .jp, why is the number of .jp registration as low as approx. 1 million in total (including ASCII.jp, IDN.jp, co.jp, ne.jp, and everything else)?

it simply does not make any sense.

i also find the statement "75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp" highly suspicious.

ASCII.jp is much more expensive than ASCII.com. (IDN.jp is negligible at the moment)

why would 75% of japanese "ordinary Internet users" pay so much more to have .jp domains (that they mainly use for emails only, according to the survey)?

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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

Self-report data does have its problems. If you want, you could check what people actually 'do' rather than what they claim.

One way to check would be to take a large, random sample of domain names in various extensions and check WHOIS. This would have its own problems with sampling.

In the mean time, I suppose we have to rely on hunches and secondary sources.
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

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Self-report data does have its problems. If you want, you could check what people actually 'do' rather than what they claim.

One way to check would be to take a large, random sample of domain names in various extensions and check WHOIS. This would have its own problems with sampling.

In the mean time, I suppose we have to rely on hunches and secondary sources.

Any promoting of IDNs, .jp or .cn, is good for idn.com. Promotion is better than no promotion??

Look at dot mobi, how much marketing can just the registrar alone do? Dot mobi speculators are left in the lurch. http://domainstate.com/showthread.ph...threadid=84423
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Any promoting of IDNs, .jp or .cn, is good for idn.com. Promotion is better than no promotion??

Look at dot mobi, how much marketing can just the registrar do?
But Pinky Brand will get lynched from the nearest tree when they see what Opera Mini is doing!
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Old 24th November 2007, 09:22 AM
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

Ryu I don't think it's a matter of price, it's a matter right now that the domain companies might actually want in dot com is gone.
It isn't so easy to get a good simple dot com anymore.
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Old 24th November 2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

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Any promoting of IDNs, .jp or .cn, is good for idn.com. Promotion is better than no promotion??
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unfortunately, the survey is about domains in general. idn is mentioned nowhere.

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Ryu I don't think it's a matter of price, it's a matter right now that the domain companies might actually want in dot com is gone.
It isn't so easy to get a good simple dot com anymore.
of course, companies don't care about price difference. however, the article is reporting (or bullshitting) about "ordinary Internet users", most of whom use domains for emailing only (according to them)...

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Old 24th November 2007, 11:58 AM
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

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unfortunately, the survey is about domains in general. idn is mentioned nowhere.

of course, companies don't care about price difference. however, the article is reporting (or bullshitting) about "ordinary Internet users", most of whom use domains for emailing only (according to them)...

Ryu, as you will come to discover, people around here will twist and amplify any gleam of light and will also downplay any hint of darkness. You can call it optimism, wishful thinking, or many other terms :-)

I used to believe that only statistics and simple proofs were the truth. Today, I believe that truth is defined by the belief of the majority, right or wrong. And you simply can not argue with "the truth".

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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

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Ryu I don't think it's a matter of price, it's a matter right now that the domain companies might actually want in dot com is gone.
It isn't so easy to get a good simple dot com anymore.
Well that is an admission if ever there was one that dot com is the first choice amongst those that matter!
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Summary: In the end both .com and .jp will ALL be winners.
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Summary: In the end both .com and .jp will ALL be winners.
No real arguments there. It is really a no brainer that both dot JP and dot CN will be used along side dot com. They may even eventually be worth more. Frankly who cares?
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Today, I believe that truth is defined by the belief of the majority, right or wrong.
according to "your definition", "the truth" was that Iraqis had WMD prior to American invasion. perhaps it was also "the truth" among american policy makers that political reform of Iraq was going to be as easy as it was with Japanese after WWII.

adventures that are not supported by logics and evidences are nothing but gambles. you might win a gamble or two by luck, but chances are that such gambles result in disaster (following a minute of "victory" sometimes).

p/s my apologies to american members for bringing up an iraqi case here. it's just that it is easy to pick up ur country because everyone knows a lot about you. i am not anti-american. i am very well aware that so many others, including japanese, are at least as bad as americans.
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adventures that are not supported by logics and evidences are nothing but gambles. you might win a gamble or two by luck, but chances are that such gambles result in disaster (following a minute of "victory" sometimes).
Oh, I certainly agree with you. My point was that if a belief is not widely held, then it's not true - if it is widely held, then it is true. And it's as futile as pissing in the wind to argue against this type of truth with logic and evidence. Simply look at the constant riducling and smear campaigns against scientists who have brought evidence of the global warming caused by greenhouse emissions.

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I certainly agree that trying to persuade domainers with rational arguments will generally get you nowhere. Nearly all of them have their own ideas and agendas to which they remain totally loyal, however perverse the underlying rationale.
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Re: 75% of Japanese domain owners buy .jp

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Well that is an admission if ever there was one that dot com is the first choice amongst those that matter!
Actually to me those that matter are the corporate guys & they would probably prefer co.jp still.

Domains & extensions have different purposes

com - International
jp - Japan
co.jp - Established Japanese Company

IDNs don't have a first choice yet because the general public doesn't really know they exist yet. I went to the Softbank Shop to ask about a new phone & is it IDN compatible & the guy was asking me do I want my email address in Japanese?
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