MiniSite + AdSense = BAN? - IDN Forums

khurtsiya · #1 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 05:16 PM

Some here talking about great revenue from AdSense on minisites. But what is the difference (thrue the eyes of Google AdSense) between the minisite with AdSense & made-for-adsense-site?

jose · #2 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 05:20 PM

You can make a site and copy content from wikipedia (wikipedia alows this) or create your own and put adsense on it.

You can NOT create a site with tons of pages of nonsense generated content and automatic keyword scraping and put adsense on it.

khurtsiya · #3 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 05:29 PM

Oh, I see. Thanks, Jose!

I heared that Google ban if You just copy content from Wikipedia 'as is'. Is this true?

As I understood - I can make just one-page minisite and put AdSense on It and not 'get penalized from Google' (c) Jose for that?

jacksonm · #4 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajiotaj

Oh, I see. Thanks, Jose!

I heared that Google ban if You just copy content from Wikipedia 'as is'. Is this true?

As I understood - I can make just one-page minisite and put AdSense on It and not 'get penalized from Google' (c) Jose for that?

Google is a black-box operation. They intentionally do not publish clear and concise rules. The bottom line is that they will ban you if they feel like it, and they usually won't tell you why they did it.

Also, they have changed adsense so much lately (reducing clickable areas) that it's difficult to extract any money from it. My CTR on pages that had gotten 6% for several months in a row have dropped to 0% now. Most of my users are on mobile phones in Japan, but since I live in Finland, google won't let me configure mobile ads.

Good thing I don't depend on this shit for a living. It is *highly* unpredictable and decreasing in payout by the day.

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bwhhisc · #5 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonm

Also, they have changed adsense so much lately (reducing clickable areas) that it's difficult to extract any money from it. My CTR on pages that had gotten 6% for several months in a row have dropped to 0% now. Most of my users are on mobile phones in Japan, but since I live in Finland, google won't let me configure mobile ads. Good thing I don't depend on this shit for a living. It is *highly* unpredictable and decreasing in payout by the day.

Hasn't there been a few posts here from various members that were successfully turning pretty good
numbers with their mini-sites and adsense?

jacksonm · #6 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Hasn't there been a few posts here from various members that were successfully turning pretty good
numbers with their mini-sites and adsense?

Sarcle was having good luck, he said. But as google drastically decreased the clickable space in ads last week, clicks have fallen off sharply. Google even sent out a mail that said people will experience loss in CTR. I wonder if they knew it would be this bad or not. IMO, they will either have to change it back or they will start losing publishers left and right.

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touchring · #7 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonm

Sarcle was having good luck, he said. But as google drastically decreased the clickable space in ads last week, clicks have fallen off sharply. Google even sent out a mail that said people will experience loss in CTR. I wonder if they knew it would be this bad or not. IMO, they will either have to change it back or they will start losing publishers left and right.

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I've not experienced a decrease in CTR, but some of my sites loss rank recently and had a traffic drop.

khurtsiya · #8 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonm

Sarcle was having good luck, he said. But as google drastically decreased the clickable space in ads last week, clicks have fallen off sharply. Google even sent out a mail that said people will experience loss in CTR. I wonder if they knew it would be this bad or not. IMO, they will either have to change it back or they will start losing publishers left and right.

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Oh, I just get why my CTR is go down...

Well, thats bad news. But I think if Google done this - there will no be changing back.

touchring · #9 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajiotaj

Oh, I see. Thanks, Jose!

I heared that Google ban if You just copy content from Wikipedia 'as is'. Is this true?

As I understood - I can make just one-page minisite and put AdSense on It and not 'get penalized from Google' (c) Jose for that?

You "may" get banned if you got too much duplicate content.

khurtsiya · #10 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by touchring

You "may" get banned if you got too much duplicate content.

But if I will re-write, not copy-paste? I think this will help.

touchring · #11 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajiotaj

But if I will re-write, not copy-paste? I think this will help.

I thikn Jose did a trick by mixing up the paragraphs, and punctuations, not sure if that will work.

Rewriting will help.

khurtsiya · #12 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 07:40 PM

Well, thanks, guys.

I found some mini-site templates (like this one: http://idn.com.ua) and now will create some sites.

jacksonm, I understand Your opinion, but do not forget that type-in is increasing each day, so will try and see what will happen

jose · #13 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by touchring

You "may" get banned if you got too much duplicate content.

Just a small correction: you get deindex, not banned. You get banned if you re-write the content and Google catches you!

khurtsiya · #14 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 07:48 PM

I mean paraphrase when I sad re-write.

If You too, Jose, than how Google can catch me?

jose · #15 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajiotaj

I mean paraphrase when I sad re-write.

If You too, Jose, than how Google can catch me?

I ment auto-rewriting it, not by hand. In the end, is your content unique and human readable? If so, you're ok.

jacksonm · #16 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajiotaj

jacksonm, I understand Your opinion, but do not forget that type-in is increasing each day, so will try and see what will happen

What does type-in have to do with google reducing the clickable space in their ads down to 50% or less? Do you mean that you think you won't need to develop and that parking will provide reasonable income?

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khurtsiya · #17 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 08:06 PM

I ment re-writed by hand. And Yes, it's human readable. But unique... I do not say so.

Look, I go to Wikipedia and hand-re-write article. For Google it will be unique, right? But for human - not at all.

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What does type-in have to do with google reducing the clickable space in their ads down to 50% or less?

If only I knew that

touchring · #18 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jose

Just a small correction: you get deindex, not banned. You get banned if you re-write the content and Google catches you!

Is there a difference between deindexed and banned?

jose · #19 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 08:34 PM

deindexed = Google traffic gone
banned = Google money gone

seamo · #20 (**permalink**) 23rd November 2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by touchring

Is there a difference between deindexed and banned?

I have wondered about this for a while.

I assume you are penalised for the content on the site - wouldn't changing that content allow you to climb up the ranks again?

Or will Google just ban your domain from ever being indexed? Regardles of who owns it? (this seems ridiculous to me - but what do I know?...)

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Originally Posted by jose

deindexed = Google traffic gone
banned = Google money gone

That makes it clearer.

Banning would only apply to people who knowingly broke Adsense TOS, wouldn't it?

Making mini-sites using Wiki info should never get you banned...just de-indexed for copied content?