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ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

No mention of DName...but a bit of sleuthing and it seems (to be confirmed) that the testbed is going to involve looking at both mapped space (DNAME) and new space records with IDN labels (NS)...

Meaning, the testbed is to determine which of these two technical solutions works best which will help dictate policy.

ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third
quarter of 2006

Shanghai. March 14. INTERFAX-CHINA - English language will lose its
monopoly on Internet domain names before the end of the year. ICANN (The
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) will start the trial
testing of internationalized domain names (IDN) in the Top Level Domain
(TLD) system, in the third quarter of 2006, Paul Twomey, President and CEO
of ICANN, told Interfax in an interview Tuesday. Once IDN domain names are
implemented Internet sites will able to have domain names in foreign
languages, and foreign character sets- such as Chinese.

"The preparation for the testing is already underway, and it will be a
testing on the top of the root," said Twomey. "We are presently moving to
introduce the IDNs of TLD, and are much closer to the end for the answer."
But the exact date for the launch of the IDN is not yet available.

In order to implement the internationalized domain name system, ICANN has
launched two working groups including the Presidents Advisory Committee with
technical experts, and a policy group to draft explicit policies on the
application and operation of IDNs. Twomey said that ICANN was expecting the
policy development process to come to a conclusion in the end of the third
quarter or the early fourth quarter this year.

"I understand people's complaints towards ICANN's slow process on this
issue," said Twomey. "ICANN should ensure the stability, usability of the
Internet, and therefore, the launch of IDN involves different layers and
protocols, and is not as simple as it sounds."

The three biggest concerns for ICANN to implement IDNs in TLD include
technical stability, the linguistic issue of language characters, and the
policy of later operation. "The launch of IDNs is a big issue for ICANN, and
important to Internet users worldwide, especially those do not speak
English," said Twomey.

However, Twomey emphasized that the real thing that drives Internet and
usability should be the local Internet content instead of the domain name
system.

Commenting on the recent change that China has made towards its domain name
system, Twomey said the change that China has made is mainly to build up
their second-level domain name structure as other countries do. "We do not
see they are transferring their own domain name systems onto their single
root services."

The full text of the interview, where Twomey talks about the Chinese
Internet market, future development of the Internet worldwide, ICANN's
linguistic policy, allocation policies, international strategy, censorship
and other matters, will be available exclusively in the Interfax China IT
Report Weekly.

-FW

http://www.interfax.cn/showfeature.a...EY-DOMAIN-NAME

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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

Nice work Zfreud. It is starting to look like Game, Set and Match!
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

It's only game, set, match for us if they go with DNAME mapping.

If they go with seperate name space (which the registrars will push for because then they get to sell a whole new set of domains) then all our com/net IDN's are devalued in one smack.

New name space means new registries too, with different pricing, rules and sunshine periods.
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Question Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

I know this has been discussed in many threads, but seeing as the topic has been raised again, i thought it would be good to air the opinions in one thread.

As far as i see it there are 3 outcomes:

1) nothing happens (i.e no .idn extensions are created)

2) .idn extensions are created but not dnamed (mapped)

3) .idn extensions are created and dnamed


what are

a) the likelihood of each outcome?

b) the impact of each outcome on the potential value of idn.com/.net?


please try and keep replies brief and focused.
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

DName is the only workable Option for gTLDs and will be implemented. It may be, however, that some ccTLDs are put directly into the Root as an interim measure.

Those that still talk about multiple dot com registeries just haven't done their homework. These issue have been discussed and put to bed 100 times before!
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1) nothing happens (i.e no .idn extensions are created)
• IE7 brings more typins. ccTLDs that are dnamed gain value.

2) .idn extensions are created but not dnamed (mapped)
• High SEO value. Lower typein value. Lower emotional attachment. ccTLDs that are dnamed gain value.

3) .idn extensions are created and dnamed
• Jackpot.

Possibility of nondnamed outcome a risk for .com .net investors.
ccTLDs that are likely to be dnamed, such as .jp may bring higher returns.

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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

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DName is the only workable Option for gTLDs and will be implemented. It may be, however, that some ccTLDs are put directly into the Root as an interim measure.

Those that still talk about multiple dot com registeries just haven't done their homework. These issue have been discussed and put to bed 100 times before!
Can you perhaps provide definitive recent links from authoritative sites to back this up? That way, we can point people to this thread next time the issue comes up...
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Can you perhaps provide definitive recent links from authoritative sites to back this up? That way, we can point people to this thread next time the issue comes up...
You could try reading through the Transcripts from the Vancouver Workshops and those before that. These are all available at the ICANN website. I have read through the lot and it quite clear from these that there are not going to be multiple registries. When DName was discussed, it was all about implementation rather namespace policy.
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

A Proposal for DNAME Equivalence Mapping for TLD Strings
http://www.icann.org/announcements/ proposal-dname-equivalence-mapping-tld-12dec05.pdf

Comments:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/idn-tld.../msg00005.html
http://forum.icann.org/lists/idn-tld...ads.html#00001

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/.../msg01892.html
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

Important to note ;

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In particular, of all of the possible approaches
that I'm aware of, the DNAME one is probably the least
satisfactory to anyone whose primary objective is to wrest
control of the DNS root away from ICANN or the US Government.
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And, as we know, the US has no intention of giving it up...
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

so is a decision on dnaming dependent on the 3rd/4th quarter "launch" of IDN? or is doing nothing (because nobody can agree what to do) a realistic outcome?
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

Thanks for the information, but it's all "proposals" and "comments" - I don't see any actual "decision" that would allow us to say with 100% certainty that DNAME is a done deal.

(Note: I am not saying it's not going to happen, I'm saying that so far nothing seems to GUARANTEE it will happen)
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Important to note ;

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In particular, of all of the possible approaches
that I'm aware of, the DNAME one is probably the least
satisfactory to anyone whose primary objective is to wrest
control of the DNS root away from ICANN or the US Government.
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My thoughts on recent events, since the infamous mistaken press release seems to have rekindled debate on DNAME mapping vs new namespaces:

China keeps the propaganda machine humming to put pressure on furthering their long-term objective, which is control of ICANN or the creation of a competing authority. I doubt they will do anything drastic in the short or medium term. Their objectives are mapped-out measured in decades.

This sabre rattling has been their modus operandi to try and direct political and economic policy in Taiwan, Hong Kong and to a lesser extent, Macau, for years.

My guess is that 'slip-up' of a press release was not a slip-up. It was part of their political machine in action and their self-introduction to the world -- it worked well -- witness the firestorm that followed and the lemmings that fell over themselves propagating the false info in their blogs. If history is any indication, we'll see more of this and I won't be losing any sleep over it.
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

An official guarantee would make me sleep a whole lot better but then again, who knows what strange jumps this cat will make, it's being introduced with capitalism in a fast rate and it will find itself in the position where it cannot go back without the attained wealth collapsing and the populus revolting, who can predict what will happen ??
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

Yes, nice post Gamma.

Other things.

Verisign is a hungry money for-profit company that seems to be in charge of this. Do you think they would even for one second enertain the thought of losing .com and .net superiority with new top level generics?

So they would create new extensions for China but not anyone else? Do you honestly think Russia or any other country would allow this? In total how many new exts. would have to be created to fairly dole out the Internet? Especially since China wants the .com .net and .org? We would literally be talking hundreds. Dname is the only viable solution!
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I hear you. But I learned the hard way. One of my first jobs was as a China economic consultant. I would read these reports about how a fully convertible currency was imminent and would help with entry into the WTO blah-blah-blah, and I totally bought into it.

Fast forward 15 years. China is a member of the WTO and the RMB is still not fully convertible!

They do things with incredible calculation. There are NO hasty decisions. They will not balkanize themselves.

Other China watchers will confirm this.
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

>DName is the only workable Option for gTLDs and will be implemented.

You seem to be labouring under the misaprehension that:

1. The people at the controls of ICANN know what the only workable solution is.

and/or:

2. The people at the controls of ICANN will implement the only workable solution.

Given their history, I wouldn't bet on anything yet.
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Re: ICANN to launch trial testing of IDNs forTop Level Domains in the third

As I watched the IETF muddle along for years trying to work out the current punycode system one of the reoccuring themes was that they definately did not want to change in any way shape or form the original encoding scheme used on the root nameservers. ie. names defined by a-z, 0-9, and - . This is why we have the punycode system. It doesn't change the original structure in any way but provides the needed functionality.

The Dname proposition allows the further mapping of these extensions without changing the coding on the root servers in any way.

I'm not as up to speed on the NS proposition but I do believe that it would require a change in the code of the root servers. Can anyone verify this? If it is the case I would expect strong opposition to this proposal on a purely technical basis given what I have seen in the past.
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