6 week IDNwiki report - user statistics

[jose]

Here: http://blog.icann.org/?p=239

[touchring]

Weird that they don't breakdown traditional and simplified chinese, but still pretty much sums up where the bulk of traffic will come from in the future!

Script Language

%-share
Chinese Chinese 40.76
IDN Main gateway http://idn.icann.org 14.78
Cyrillic Russian 13.56
Arabic Arabic 12.55
Hebrew Yiddish 4.38
Arabic Persian 3.64
Hangul Korean 3.38
Greek Greek 1.84
Kanji, Hiragana, Katakana Japanese 1.77
Devanagari Hindi 1.69
Tamil Tamil 1.65

[L@@K]

I'm probably terribly stupid but I can't understand why japanese is after greek !?
Moreover, where are the german, french, spanish, portugese for example ?
Greek script would be before spanish; I can't believe that...
So, can anyone explain this plz ?

[zenmarketing]

Their reports on browser usage seem to be a bit odd.

"Netscape" as #1?

And what on earth is "Yeti"?

[thefabfive]

The list is only of users that accessed the IDN wiki. It may give a clue into those who are most interested in IDN. Or those most interested in speculating on IDNs.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by L@@K

I'm probably terribly stupid but I can't understand why japanese is after greek !?
Moreover, where are the german, french, spanish, portugese for example ?
Greek script would be before spanish; I can't believe that...
So, can anyone explain this plz ?

A lot of traffic is referrals, so if popular native online blogs or newspapers report it and provide referral link, it will distort the data.

[L@@K]

Originally Posted by thefabfive

The list is only of users that accessed the IDN wiki. It may give a clue into those who are most interested in IDN. Or those most interested in speculating on IDNs.

Thx.
So speculators are (maybe) more interested by a langage spoken by 11 millions people as greek, more than by 350 millions as spanish ?
Weird, did you say weird ?

[mgrohan]

These are NOT user statistics more like hits on the site.

94441 Netscape (compatible)
35423 Yeti
34304 MSIE
20562 Firefox
7747 msnbot
4807 HMSE_Robot
3383 Opera
3348 Apache
2181 Baiduspider+(+http:
951 Mozilla

The below all look like Spiders
Netscape (compatible) - Yahoo SLurp
Yeti Bot - If i am not mistaken is Naver's (korean) spider
msnbot - Is MSN/Live spider
HMSE_Robot - another spider
Apache
Baiduspider+(+http: - Baidu Spider


If this is the case it means that the wiki site is much less visit than reported/thought


Also means all the country information you are discussing is all wrong. ie China pages has the massive 77699 Netscape (compatible) - which is yahoo;s bot.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by L@@K

Thx.
So speculators are (maybe) more interested by a langage spoken by 11 millions people as greek, more than by 350 millions as spanish ?
Weird, did you say weird ?

Well the Greeks need IDN much more than the Spanish. Most Western European languages can limp by quite adequately in ASCII.

[yanni]

Agree with Dave, plus:

I think these stats just show how involved are the domaining communities in each country/region (barring most European languages since they don't really need idn, and the Koreans who are well ahead in the game and they don't care).

You can't really take into consideration just the population size. If this was the metric, then if Chinese is at 40%, Greek should be sporting a negative number

[L@@K]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Well the Greeks need IDN much more than the Spanish.

LOL !

1. 11 M vs 350 M
2. the owner of espana needs españa
3. idn are real word, no mispelling like ascii in that language
4. ascii is 'has been' (espana is, or will be soon, 'has been')
5. type-in easier in latin language
6. +15 countries for spanish VS only one for greek (if i don't make misake)
7. etc, etc, etc...

What the greeks need is idn.idn

[mgrohan]

If you take the spiders away from the results Chinese is only around 30% of that stated. And greek is about 50% of stated.

For the real visitors (not web spiders), you also need to consider the amount of backlinks to the idn wiki and the SERPs of the pages. All these affect how many pages visit the pages.
Not how popular IDNs are in a certain country.

[Drewbert]

If you ignore all the red herrings and look at MSIE+Firefox only, it's clear that Chinese & Russian are the big winners.

They're clearly the ones that someone successfully got the word out on.

I note with interest that Arabic/Persian got more hits than Arabic/Arabic.

[Rubber Duck]

Possibly, but Chinese and Russian were the two areas where things were cooking anyway.

I think this suggest that the whole IDNwiki thing is a bit of damp squib and that ICANN need to do what everyone has been saying all along and throw a few real extension live. Even just Dot CN would be a big start! Surely, nobody is going to argue with China's right to use what it has been using for years as its ccTLD?

Originally Posted by Drewbert

If you ignore all the red herrings and look at MSIE+Firefox only, it's clear that Chinese & Russian are the big winners.

They're clearly the ones that someone successfully got the word out on.

I note with interest that Arabic/Persian got more hits than Arabic/Arabic.

[Drewbert]

Yes. Since there's been IDN TLD's running in China and other locations for donkey's years, this whole test thing is really just something to distract people from where the decisions are being made.

[domain_trader]

Let's not get ourselves confused here. When Dave says that the Spanish and most other European non-English languages don't need IDN, I'm sure he means IDN.IDN. I agree that IDN.ASCII is sufficient for these languages, which is why the ICANN IDN Wiki test has little interest for them. As for ASCII.ASCII, while it is possible for them to use it, it is A LONG WAY short of ideal, which is why the Germans and others would prefer IDN.ASCII.

[tikonenko]

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats4.htm#europe

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by domain_trader

Let's not get ourselves confused here. When Dave says that the Spanish and most other European non-English languages don't need IDN, I'm sure he means IDN.IDN. I agree that IDN.ASCII is sufficient for these languages, which is why the ICANN IDN Wiki test has little interest for them. As for ASCII.ASCII, while it is possible for them to use it, it is A LONG WAY short of ideal, which is why the Germans and others would prefer IDN.ASCII.

Actually no, I did say Limp by, which acknowledges it is not perfect, but most Western don't actually need IDN. In the Far East normally direct navigation is not currently happening at all. Indeed it is an alien concept. These people NEED IDN and they need it now. The delays caused by the likes of Microsoft, ICANN and others are highly damaging. Wanton neglect is the mildest term that I can think of that accurately describes their actions.

[domain_trader]

Thanks for clarifying what you meant RD. But to answer L@@K's question, I think the most we can infer from the lack of Western European interest in the IDN Wiki test is that they don't have an interest in IDN.IDN, which is understandable. We can't say that these statistics are any indication of a lack of interest in IDN generally from these countries. But on that matter, you are right of course that Western Europeans can limp by with ASCII.ASCII, even if it is not ideal. For this reason, those who have backed IDN.ASCII among Western European languages may well find the uptake of IDN is considerably slower than scripts in Chinese, Russian, Arabic, etc.