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Old 15th March 2006, 08:39 PM
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It's getting harder and harder for me to reg good IDNs with decent OVT scores. For every hour of research, I get fewer and fewer hits. More and more I find asking myself a question "is it worth a reg fee?". While it is great to have a big portfolio, sometimes I forget that it's not just a reg fee, it's a reg fee every year. I am thinking that the law of diminishing returns is kicking in and I should be concentrating on development. Anyone is thinking the same? Anybody there? Or you are all busy regging :-)?
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Old 15th March 2006, 08:44 PM
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Re: Where do we go from here?

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It's getting harder and harder for me to reg good IDNs with decent OVT scores. For every hour of research, I get fewer and fewer hits. More and more I find asking myself a question "is it worth a reg fee?". While it is great to have a big portfolio, sometimes I forget that it's not just a reg fee, it's a reg fee every year. I am thinking that the law of diminishing returns is kicking in and I should be concentrating on development. Anyone is thinking the same? Anybody there? Or you are all busy regging :-)?
Depends what you consider a decent OVT score, I suppose. I also look at the industry and the bids so I'll go as low as a couple of thousand in some cases and still reg the name. There's lots out there still, frustratingly so, as every time I'm about to stop registering I find another batch. Picked up about 50 names yesterday, for instance...

I know I'm repeating myself, but I can't stress enough how useful it is to let others do the basic research for you. Find sites in the target language that already have dormant keyword lists (e.g. most large ecommerce sites have huge, carefully subdivided navigation, as do most directories), clean up those keyword lists and check them in bulk - then you only have to analyse what's actually available...
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Old 15th March 2006, 08:53 PM
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Re: Where do we go from here?

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I am thinking that the law of diminishing returns is kicking in ...
It's the law of diminishing domains. There are still some nice flowers in the garden. The most beautiful ones have already been picked. It's a very large garden, full of bushes, trees, weeds and vines in a landscape of hills, valleys and caves. And there are a lot of people out there searching. So now it takes longer to find the flowers. Keep looking, but hurry. They are being picked off faster than ever, but there are some that have still been overlooked by everyone!
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Re: Where do we go from here?

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It's getting harder and harder for me to reg good IDNs with decent OVT scores. For every hour of research, I get fewer and fewer hits. More and more I find asking myself a question "is it worth a reg fee?". While it is great to have a big portfolio, sometimes I forget that it's not just a reg fee, it's a reg fee every year. I am thinking that the law of diminishing returns is kicking in and I should be concentrating on development. Anyone is thinking the same? Anybody there? Or you are all busy regging :-)?
Don't fall apart on us yet Explorer. You have a very nice portfolio. We are only days away from the Mix06 meeting and the public release of IE7. Not to mention that Icann has vowed to get these fully functional by the third quarter and the next Icann meeting is at the end of the month. These are very exciting times indeed!

I would consider your plans for development of your better terms but wait to get them live until the public release of IE7. You are right though, we definately need to be thinking about that.
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Edwin, I think you are in a pretty unique position as an early-mover on the lists.

I tried the word-list method, but after parsing several lists, I found that they had been culled already -- by you! I lost my mojo right there.

I think you have an advantage since you've been through the word lists -- knowing which word lists have been culled before is incredibly useful and a big time saver. It's kind of like knowing not to check "loans", "tokyohotels", "search" etc. Knowing what not to check is almost as useful as knowing what to check.

So, I'm more or less in Explorer's position of diminishing returns... pondering development and occasionally bouncing around and checking things I see like クリ.com (chestnut was available -- woohoo!) and コスプレ.com (cospuru was not :-( ) until I find a theme that's relatively untapped.

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Hilarious site about コスプレ (cospuru or 'costume play') by a former Japanese porn director.

http://masamania.com/archives/2004/0...masamania.html
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Re: Where do we go from here?

My plan is a simple one. I create revenue streams and I don't work. If it can't make money while I sleep, I'll move onto the next project. Oil wells pump oil with no labor and little maintenance. My Web sites are modeled after oil wells. They pump out cash 24 hours a day. While others may laugh at my underdeveloped sites, I will go to each, one by one, and make them pretty and add functionality as the Web matures. Profit supersedes all other elements. Like a boxer in the ring, pacing yourself for the long haul is key.

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Old 15th March 2006, 09:37 PM
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Re: Where do we go from here?

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Edwin, I think you are in a pretty unique position as an early-mover on the lists.

I tried the word-list method, but after parsing several lists, I found that they had been culled already -- by you! I lost my mojo right there.

I think you have an advantage since you've been through the word lists -- knowing which word lists have been culled before is incredibly useful and a big time saver. It's kind of like knowing not to check "loans", "tokyohotels", "search" etc. Knowing what not to check is almost as useful as knowing what to check.
Er, no, I keep double, triple etc. checking the same names ALL THE TIME. The thing is, I'm checking them all automatically so I don't care if "loans" makes the list for the millionth time. I visit about 20-30 shopping sites, cut and paste all their category navigation into a file, clean it up, convert it to punycode, stick a ".com" on the end, bulk-check the availability of the lot, and then - and only then - I switch on my brain and start the forensics on the remaining (much) shorter list.

The "trick" is to find 3-4 broad keywords that are likely to appear on any comprehensive shopping site (e.g. furniture, shoes, audio, diet) in the target language, stick them into Google and see what pops out. Either that, or stick in variants of shop, shopping, category, site map etc. There are billions of sites out there that you can crib word lists from. Just don't expect them to LOOK like word lists - they look like directories/navigation...
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My plan is a simple one. I create revenue streams and I don't work.
This is what I am talking about. Wealth. Not the kind of wealth that when you see someone walking down the street you say to yourself "They must do all right in life." I'm talking the kind of wealth your own family will conspire to kill you over.

Once all of these things fall into place I'm sure we will see it.
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Re: Where do we go from here?

It is time to develop but their is going to be a few rather good perks for IDNers in a few weeks.
Let's just say I heard some thangs in the grapevine.
It really has some perks owning the biggest IDN forum.
These new developments will be posted only in the members area I hope that you can can keep a few things to yourself...

Hold tight.

But to answer the question. I'm going to blog about it later.
We use OVT a bit too much. A lot too much I think. I started registering things I know are popular or high profit industries but "now" might not be searched much on the internet.

I was on a plane yesterday & spoke to an older Japanese woman next to me. Her husband used to own a print company so she's familiar with using a computer & the internet. I asked if IDNs happen (We were speaking in Japanese & I'm translating it) what benefits could she see. She told me something I never thought of. She said older Japanese especially can't remember even names like Yahoo, Japanese in normal everyday like don't need to write words in English so often. She said with these native Japanese domains older people could easily remember things like email addresses if it's a Japanese word. Or a URL if it's a Japanese.
I asked if a dot com in English would prohibit use...
She said absolutely not typing that in is easy older people would love to have domains they could remember in Japanese.

Just a confirmation of what I've been telling people. I get a chance to speak to a variety of Japanese people so I wanted to really ask a total stranger...
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I imagine Edwin calling his old relatives to extract specific keywords .... taadaaa a new list :-)

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Re: Where do we go from here?

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Yep, agreed. Although I never thought you'd ever quote The Domain King!

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This is what I am talking about. Wealth. Not the kind of wealth that when you see someone walking down the street you say to yourself "They must do all right in life." I'm talking the kind of wealth your own family will conspire to kill you over.
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Yes, but hopefully women find me more attractive than JR. And I certainly ain't living in Dallas. I was thinking more along the lines of somewhere on the Italian coast. Now if Dave would only reasonably sell me Italy in Japanese. Although I haven't been to Asia yet and I do find Asian women some of the most attractive.
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Re: Where do we go from here?

BTW, the technique I outlined WORKS.

I picked up 60 more domains in the last few hours. Among them...

ラグ.com (rug)
チェスト.com (chest)
パソコンラック.com (computer rack) and サーバーラック.com (server rack)
フォトフレーム.com (photo frame)
古書.com (old/rare book)
生き方.com (way of life)
電話回線.com (phone line)
食料品.com (foodstuffs/groceries)

I found all 60 either directly from cut and pasted word lists, or from looking at the ads in the OVT bid tool returned by other keywords from those word lists. I didn't think up and type in any of the 60 terms.

Of course, I also reg stuff that I dream up from time to time - but it's not strictly necessary to do so if you're trying to accumulate good stuff...
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Domain King Speaks how he got started with Vanity 1-800 numbers, then took it to the next level, domain names. From 02-12-2004.

"My list by today's standards is fairly small. I have somewhere between 4300 and 4500 currently. All typins. I avoid search engine traffic because I don't want to water down the pure typin traffic."

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