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anyone here registering .公司

over the .com china IDNs or .cn IDNS?

.公司 = the one in mainland china right now that needs a plugin if viewed outside of china

where is the cheapest place to reg these?
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Re: anyone here registering .公司

You can use i-dns, it provides credit card payment facility and you can easily push the domain to another person.

I registered about 15 name, the best i could find after digging for a week, when they announced support for .公司 on the ISP level. Apparently, a few guys got the info before that and most top names were taken between Nov 05 to Feb 06.

A warning however, .公司 is not .COM. It is .company, so do not waste your money by registering things like cannot.gongsi or impossible.gongsi or can.gongsi, and other chinese words with million of google results. Go for commercial names like carrental.gongsi, aircon.gongsi. :-)

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Re: anyone here registering .公司

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You can use i-dns, it provides credit card payment facility and you can easily push the domain to another person.

I registered about 15 name, the best i could find after digging for a week, when they announced support for .公司 on the ISP level. Apparently, a few guys got the info before that and most top names were taken between Nov 05 to Feb 06.

A warning however, .公司 is not .COM. It is .company, so do not waste your money by registering things like cannot.gongsi or impossible.gongsi or can.gongsi, and other chinese words with million of google results. Go for commercial names like carrental.gongsi, aircon.gongsi. :-)
so you think these will be hotter than .com in china? since you bought 15? aren't these like $150/year
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Re: anyone here registering .公司

You can register from one of these guys

http://cnnic.net.cn/html/Dir/2005/10/11/3217.htm

About $35 the market price.
Some has promotion that gives you .cn free for .中国 (注“.中国”送“.CN”)
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Re: anyone here registering .公司

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You can register from one of these guys

http://cnnic.net.cn/html/Dir/2005/10/11/3217.htm

About $35 the market price.
Some has promotion that gives you .cn free for .中国 (注“.中国”送“.CN”)
anything good left in this extension? :P

i wonder what will be worth more... that or .cn

i'm just staying in the JP market for now heh
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No idea. Never checked
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No idea. Never checked
so CNNIC backs .cn and .IDN?
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Re: anyone here registering .公司

From that list you pointed, what registrar are you using? Which is cheaper? Don't you need to be Chinese/have residence/have trademark registered there?

.Network will map to .net?!
.Company won't map to anything, right?

Do you think they are worth the money?
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From that list you pointed, what registrar are you using? Which is cheaper? Don't you need to be Chinese/have residence/have trademark registered there?

.Network will map to .net?!
.Company won't map to anything, right?

Do you think they are worth the money?
ICANN will have to pick a different .idn extension as it will be a big mess on who owns what....
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Re: anyone here registering .公司

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so CNNIC backs .cn and .IDN?
You can say that. CNNIC is the national authority for the .cn country level ccTLD.

They basically manage all domain matters for China.
.IDN (ie .中国 .公司 .网络) is a local inititive not supported internationally so you will need pluging to visit the address.

.中国 is mapped to .cn so technically if you have example.cn, you have example.中国
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Re: anyone here registering .公司

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ICANN will have to pick a different .idn extension as it will be a big mess on who owns what....
I registered with a Chinese company for 280 yuan a name - it doesn't accept credit card though so payment has to be made by bank transfer.

I think this "Some has promotion that gives you .cn free for .中国 (注“.中国”送“.CN”)" just means if you register a name like 汽车.公司, you get 汽车.公司.cn for free.

The Chinese are really going after .公司, 90% of these are registered by them, unlike .com, which the Chinese initially ignored and most landed in the hands of foreign speculators.

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so you think these will be hotter than .com in china? since you bought 15? aren't these like $150/year
I do not know if they are going to be more popular (there's also a .cn that is completing with it), but i think some are brandable, for example, i took CarInsurance.Co, CarRental.Co, WeightLoss.Co, Construction.Co to name a few. Some names just go well with the .Co extension. I also lost a few like Jewelry.Co, HouseMoving.Co by mere hours when i hesitated - that was during the first few days of March when there was a mad rush for these names.

Needless to say, those who had the info last year took names like creditcard.co, insurance.co, etc, sure winners. I blamed myself for not thinking about the .gongsi extension then.

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I registered with a Chinese company for 280 yuan a name - it doesn't accept credit card though so payment has to be made by bank transfer.

I think this "Some has promotion that gives you .cn free for .中国 (注“.中国”送“.CN”)" just means if you register a name like 汽车.公司, you get 汽车.公司.cn for free.

The Chinese are really going after .公司, 90% of these are registered by them, unlike .com, which the Chinese initially ignored and most landed in the hands of foreign speculators.



I do not know if they are going to be more popular (there's also a .cn that is completing with it), but i think some are brandable, for example, i took CarInsurance.Co, CarRental.Co, WeightLoss.Co, Construction.Co to name a few. Some names just go well with the .Co extension. I also lost a few like Jewelry.Co, HouseMoving.Co by mere hours when i hesitated - that was during the first few days of March when there was a mad rush for these names.

Needless to say, those who had the info last year took names like creditcard.co, insurance.co, etc, sure winners. I blamed myself for not thinking about the .gongsi extension then.
any good names left? How much is that in USD?
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Re: anyone here registering .公司

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any good names left? How much is that in USD?
How good a name is is really subjective. A lot of names i won't register - like the drugs.gongsi on sale at DNF for $12,000 (and that sell.gongsi that is already sold), i won't even register them in the first place as they are not popular terms.

Of cos, for quick resale, there are plenty of dictionary words which you can still register and hope that a non-chinese speaking person that doesn't do his homework will buy them. From what we have seen so far - there are many such people around.

280 Yuan is about 35$.

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Re: anyone here registering .公司

I believe the mapping is as follows
.中国 -> .cn
.公司 -> .公司.cn
.网络 -> .网络.cn
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I believe the mapping is as follows
.中国 -> .cn
.公司 -> .公司.cn
.网络 -> .网络.cn
not right now as these .idns aren't ICANN certified right now
and once ICANN doe make a solution those that have a word in .cn will have to spar with the owner who has hte same word in .中国
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not right now as these .idns aren't ICANN certified right now
and once ICANN doe make a solution those that have a word in .cn will have to spar with the owner who has hte same word in .中国
It's currently mapped that way in China and since 99.999% of people accessing those names are in China (excluding domain speculators), it doesn't matter what ICANN decides in the end. I blame myself for not seeing this scenario much earlier, and for the possibility of resolving at the ISP level. All of us were simply put off by the plugin thing.

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It's currently mapped that way in China and since 99.999% of people accessing those names are in China (excluding domain speculators), it doesn't matter what ICANN decides in the end. I blame myself for not seeing this scenario much earlier, and for the possibility of resolving at the ISP level. All of us were simply put off by the plugin thing.
yea but China still wants to work with ICANN and vice versa.... so now what?

Luckily i only registered 2 names

Most of my portfolio is Japanese/Russian and some Arabic.

How does an American register at that place? I can't use paypal i assume for the cheapest domain regs
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yea but China still wants to work with ICANN and vice versa.... so now what?

Luckily i only registered 2 names

Most of my portfolio is Japanese/Russian and some Arabic.

How does an American register at that place? I can't use paypal i assume for the cheapest domain regs

You mean chinese.com? There's no changes to chinese.com, especially for city.com, since city names in all forms are banned for cnnic domains.

.gongsi and .zhongguo is now "booked" by China, so ICANN has to either accept it or use something else.

You have to use i-dns if you want to use credit card to pay - that's what the seller of sell.com and drugs.com did. But a warning, if you use i-dns, you have to pay their rates forever (that includes if they increase their prices) because their policy disallows domains from being transferred out of their system. This is the reason why i decided not to use them, despite the difficulty of "pushing" names. In future, if i sell any name, i can arrange extending payment for another 2-3 years or

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Re: anyone here registering .公司

.中国 -> .cn
is from http://cnnic.net.cn/html/Dir/2003/11/06/1216.htm
Its says once you register .cn you automatically gets .中国

Certainly within CNNIC juristiction to do that. But in order to use world wide it must get into the root name server.

But right now these works because CNNIC do not permit registration of
.中国.cn .公司.cn .网络.cn so they can map them repectively

.中国 -> .中国.cn
.公司 -> .公司.cn
.网络 -> .网络.cn

Try

http://中软股份.公司.cn/
http://世纪互联.网络.cn/
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You mean chinese.com? There's no changes to chinese.com, especially for city.com, since city names in all forms are banned for cnnic domains.

.gongsi and .zhongguo is now "booked" by China, so ICANN has to either accept it or use something else.

You have to use i-dns if you want to use credit card to pay - that's what the seller of sell.com and drugs.com did. But a warning, if you use i-dns, you have to pay their rates forever (that includes if they increase their prices) because their policy disallows domains from being transferred out of their system. This is the reason why i decided not to use them, despite the difficulty of "pushing" names.
i mean if someone owns the .cn or .cn or .company they'll never own the .idn form as it looks like CNNIC is selling them separately

so the .cn .com.cn will probably be secondary extensions in China with those main .idn's being the king.

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.中国 -> .cn
is from http://cnnic.net.cn/html/Dir/2003/11/06/1216.htm
Its says once you register .cn you automatically gets .中国

Certainly within CNNIC juristiction to do that. But in order to use world wide it must get into the root name server.

But right now these works because CNNIC do not permit registration of
.中国.cn .公司.cn .网络.cn so they can map them repectively

.中国 -> .中国.cn
.公司 -> .公司.cn
.网络 -> .网络.cn

Try

http://中软股份.公司.cn/
http://世纪互联.网络.cn/
how?
PPL registering .中国 right now are not getting the .cn too

Many words are available in .中国 but not available in .cn as they had been registered months before....

when it comes time that ICANN does agree it will be the owner of the .中国 vs .cn
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