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Old 18th March 2006, 08:48 AM
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The future of IDNs: my perception

I have started with IDNs some 3 years ago, just accidently. At that time it was easy to pick some good names.

Traffic has started to explose with latin IDNs, especially with the french domains.
French always use accents intuitively. It is natural to write intérim.com with an accent aigu.

I got alos also a couple of 'golden' arabic IDNs.

Recently, i have gained the impression, that non latin IDN s will get the appropriate IDN extension, it means that latin-IDN.com will remain latin-IDN.com but
for instance arabic-IDN.com will desapear and be replaced by arabic-IDN.arabic.com

This apply for chinese, japanese etc..

and this is justified:

It is really difficult to convince in the future arabs to write in the same adress line from the right to the left and after from the left to the right.

Conclusion: concentrate on the latin IDNs

I wish, I'm wrong because of my عربي.com (arab.com)

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Old 18th March 2006, 08:59 AM
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Re: The future of IDNs: my perception

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I have started with IDNs some 3 years ago, just accidently. At that time it was easy to pick some good names.

Traffic has started to explose with latin IDNs, especially with the french domains.
French always use accents intuitively. It is natural to write intérim.com with an accent aigu.

I got alos also a couple of 'golden' arabic IDNs.

Recently, i have gained the impression, that non latin IDN s will get the appropriate IDN extension, it means that latin-IDN.com will remain latin-IDN.com but
for instance arabic-IDN.com will desapear and be replaced by arabic-IDN.arabic.com

This apply for chinese, japanese etc..

and this is justified:

It is really difficult to convince in the future arabs to write in the same adress line from the right to the left and after from the left to the right.

Conclusion: concentrate on the latin IDNs

I wish, I'm wrong because of my عربي.com (arab.com)

DABSI

Chinese and Japanese write from the left to the right, so there isn't this problem. As for the right to the left, i'm pretty puzzled why my Arabic idns are doing well, if this were a problem?
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Chinese and Japanese write from the left to the right, so there isn't this problem. As for the right to the left, i'm pretty puzzled why my Arabic idns are doing well, if this were a problem?
I have several Arabic, Farsi and Urdu domains with natural type in. I don't think this is much of a problem but it will all be irrelevant after DName has been tested and implemented. IDN.com will be an historical abberation for most by then, but those that bought them will control IDN.IDN.

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Old 18th March 2006, 09:10 AM
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IDN.com will be an historical abberation for most by then, but those that bought them will control IDN.IDN.

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Is that a foregone conclusion? I thought i saw another discussion thread on whether idn.idn will be altogether an independent extension? What does the official announcement from ICANN say about this?
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Is that a foregone conclusion? I thought i saw another discussion thread on whether idn.idn will be altogether an independent extension? What does the official announcement from ICANN say about this?
Even if they create independent Name Space in the Root, I don't believe anyone is talking new registiies here in the short term. It will just be a different and probably much less effective way of mapping IDN.cn to IDN.IDN.
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Re: The future of IDNs: my perception

The other discussion was primarily about the potential application of NS as one of the two possibilities offered in the test. DNAME being the other or even the coexistance of the two. I think most of us still feel that DNAME is the best and primary candidate despite the fact that we were mostly discussing the NS solution.
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Re: The future of IDNs: my perception

>for instance arabic-IDN.com will desapear and be replaced by arabic-IDN.arabic.com

But shouldn't it be arabic-com.arabic-IDN ?

I wonder how they will handle that? :^)

You guys are still arguing about DNAME over NS. I tell you, they're solutions to 2 different problems. BOTH are required. DNAME is inherently easier to implement and should be able to be switched on as soon as the tests are over and the ICANN board approves (let's hope the IP constituency are happy - they wield a lot of power). NS will be exactly the same as all new TLD's - years of arsing around before one or two get added.
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Re: The future of IDNs: my perception

Check this link

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...r&ct=clnk&cd=2

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Re: The future of IDNs: my perception

Holy crap Batman!

They're running their own root servers with IDN TLD's!

IDN TLD is xn--mgberp4a5d4ar

You can see it in the drop-down box here http://www.arabic-domains.org.sa/too...ns-checker.php

I wonder whois owns xn--mgberp4a5d4ar.net? :^)
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Old 18th March 2006, 06:23 PM
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Re: The future of IDNs: my perception

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Holy crap Batman!

They're running their own root servers with IDN TLD's!

IDN TLD is xn--mgberp4a5d4ar

You can see it in the drop-down box here http://www.arabic-domains.org.sa/too...ns-checker.php

I wonder whois owns xn--mgberp4a5d4ar.net? :^)
I-Dns.net has been doing this since 1999.

http://www.i-dns.net/

It isn't difficult to set up your own root server. The hard part is getting anyone to use it.
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Re: The future of IDNs: my perception

Oh yeah, alternative roots have been around for donkeys years!

But when one of them is being run by GAC members and ccTLD operators, that's another kettle of fish.

No wonder ICANN is on fasttrack.
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