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Old 29th December 2007, 11:20 AM
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

as i stated earlier, there are more than one way to type japanese characters.
and yes, if you choose certain type-in settings you can type hiragana in one keystroke (except those with two slash at the end and small letters).

but that settings is not commonly used by japanese.
and i for one have never used it.
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

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as i stated earlier, there are more than one way to type japanese characters.
and yes, if you choose certain type-in settings you can type hiragana in one keystroke (except those with two slash at the end and small letters).

but that settings is not commonly used by japanese.
and i for one have never used it.
Ryu you are beginning to sound like that Sashas character that goes around trying to tell everyone that the whole of India speaks English. I got all the usual shit on NP the other day about not arguing with locals but when I responded with a barrage of articles from the India press showing new HINDI texting service, printing factories and internet services opening up all over India, what did I get? Well the thread just died. Not even an acknowledgement. But these guys will pop again talking the same rubbish later on. The lesson I have learnt is that opinions are opinions, nothing more. Informed opinions come from those that have done research. Merely growing up in a place does not necessarily mean your opinions are the most valid.

Why the fuck would they bother to make a Japanese Keyboard if everyone types like you claim to? If that really were the way things were done, the Japanese web content would not extend past a couple of thousand pages!
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

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in short, none of these are remotely comparable to one-char-domains of english.

do i think these domains are valuable?
haha... perhaps to domain collectors like many of you here....

i am sure no japanese person would want to build a proper website using them.
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i hope to recover some of my funds if i win these...
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Bottom line is that if Japanese do really make things as complicated as Ryu claims, then single character domains are going to be just about essential to achieve any significant type in!
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Old 29th December 2007, 11:42 AM
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

i am afraid you have no clue, RD.

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Why the fuck would they bother to make a Japanese Keyboard if everyone types like you claim to? If that really were the way things were done, the Japanese web content would not extend past a couple of thousand pages!
"not everyone" types like i do. but i am quite sure majority of japanese use the same (or simiar) typing method as i do.

i guess those who use the hiragana letters on the keybord are mainly old people and constitute probably less than 10% of whole nation.

btw, i've got the japanese keyboard, too. i just don't give a damn about hiragana letters written on it.
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That is probably because all Japanese people actually speak English and actually only put up signs in these weird characters to confuse unwelcome foreign visitors.
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Old 29th December 2007, 11:48 AM
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

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i hope to recover some of my funds if i win these...
you are welcome, michael. it's my pleasure to be able to help people with the mind to appreciate (rather than getting angry on a comment that does not favor him/her).
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Old 29th December 2007, 11:53 AM
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you are welcome, michael. it's my pleasure to be able to help people with the mind to appreciate (rather than getting angry on a comment that does not favor him/her).
Anger? I am rolling around the floor laughing.

If the Japanese actually prefer Latin to Hirigana, why is that we do not see a Romaji webspace?

The whole point of using Hirigana was to make things simpler for Japanese people. Now your telling me they need to learn a foreign script in order to type their own alphabet. That would make the Japanese the most illogical race on the planet! No wonder we cannot get any bloody type in!
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

Just one question, how many types of Japanese keyboards are there?
And.. why? Have Japanese language changed?
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

Jose.

Japanese was originally written in Chinese Characters.

Hiragana started as a learning tool. It was mainly used by women and children.

Gradually it was integrated into the official language and Kanji went into decline, but it seems to have more or less stabilised at its present level.

Kanji characters are generated from various scripts by software.

There really is only one Japanese Keyboard in current use. The one previously pictured. This keyboard has three modes. One is Latin, the others are Hirigana and Katakana. The Katakana markings are unnecessary as they mirror the Hirigana. You obviously just toggle between modes. On a Czech keyboard you just Alt Cap Lock to go between modes. I guess the Japanese keyboard is similar.
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

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only put up signs in these weird characters to confuse unwelcome foreign visitors.
watch your mouth, RD. not everything you don't understand is weird.

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If the Japanese actually prefer Latin to Hirigana
i never said anything like that.

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Now your telling me they need to learn a foreign script in order to type their own alphabet.
i told you twice already. there are more than one way to type japanese.

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That would make the Japanese the most illogical race on the planet!
now you are sounding like those idn-haters who don't want to accept anything they do not understand. how can someone without any Japanese understanding know what typing methond is efficient for the language?

here is my advise. DO YOUR RESEARCH. sounds familiar?
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Well obviously those that designed, manufactured and marketed the standard Japanese keyboard didn't do any Research either.

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Just one question, how many types of Japanese keyboards are there?
And.. why? Have Japanese language changed?
the keyboard we use isn't really different from english ones except minor parts. (i think it's the case everywhere in the world.)

it's just that we've got hiragana letters written on keys so that those who want to type in using hiragana can choose to do so. however, it requires more expansive finger movement as there are about double as many hiragana alphabets as latin alphabets.

i cannot explain everything here as it will requre lots of time. you will get a better picture if you google the web.
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google the web.
Now why didn't I think of that!

Clearly it is a lot easier to type four characters in a foreign script than to risk stretching those pinky fingers.

By the way, what did happen to DonWebCorleone?
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Thanks RD. That process took many years?
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

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Thanks RD. That process took many years?
Yes, a bit like the progress on this thread! Centuries in fact!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana

Hiragana developed from man'yōgana, Chinese characters used for their pronunciations, a practice which started in the 5th century. The forms of the hiragana originate from the cursive script style of Chinese calligraphy. The figure below shows the derivation of hiragana from manyōgana via cursive script. The upper part shows the character in the regular script form, the center character in red shows the cursive script form of the character, and the bottom shows the equivalent hiragana.

When they were first created, hiragana were not accepted by everyone. Many felt that the language of the educated was still Chinese. Historically, in Japan, the regular script (kaisho) form of the characters, so-called onode (男手, onode?), "men's writing", was used by men; the cursive script (sōsho) form of the kanji was used by women. Thus hiragana first gained popularity among women, who were not allowed access to the same levels of education as men. From this comes the alternative name of onnade (女手, onnade?) "women's writing". For example, The Tale of Genji and other early novels by female authors used hiragana extensively or exclusively.

Male authors came to write literature using hiragana. Hiragana, with its flowing style, was used for unofficial writing such as personal letters, while katakana and Chinese were used for official documents. In modern times, the usage of hiragana has become mixed with katakana writing. Katakana is now relegated to special uses such as recently borrowed words (i.e., since the 19th century), names in transliteration, the names of animals, in telegrams, and for emphasis.

Originally, all sounds had more than one hiragana. In 1900, the system was simplified so each sound had only one hiragana. Other hiragana are known as hentaigana (変体仮名, hentaigana?)

The poem Iroha-uta ("Song/poem of colours"), which dates to the 10th century, uses every hiragana (except n ん) once. In the chart below, the romanization shows the hiragana; the reading in modern Japanese is in parentheses.

Note that the last line begins with an obsolete kana (we ゑ).
いろはにほへと(いろ は におえど) I ro ha ni ho he to
(Iro wa nioedo) Even colours and sweet perfume
ちりぬるを(ちりぬる を) chi ri nu ru wo
(chirinuru wo) Will eventually fade
わかよたれそ(わが よ たれ ぞ) wa ka yo ta re so
(waga yo tare zo) Even our world
つねならむ(つね ならん) tsu ne na ra mu
(tsune naran) Is not eternal
うゐのおくやま(うい の おくやま) u wi no o ku ya ma
(ui no okuyama) The deep mountains of vanity
けふこえて(きょう こえて) ke fu ko e te
(kyou koete) Cross them today
あさきゆめみし(あさき ゆめ みじ) a sa ki yu me mi shi
(asaki yume miji) And superficial dreams
ゑひもせす(よい も せず) we hi mo se su
(yoi mo sezu) Shall no longer delude you.
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

Is "日本" difficult to type in by Japanese? In my system, I only need to type "rb" for "日本". I am sure there is a similar simple way for Japanese to type "日本". The beauty of Japanese idns, no matter in Hiragana, katakana or kanji, is that they are easily memorable and correctly typed in in later dates by native Japanese . For example, 粧.com, a rare Kanji char, Ryu can still remember it after so many days and correctly type it in. This demonstrated the power of Japanese idns.
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

When I tell people about Direct Navigation and Type in Traffic I invariably get the same response:

"I don't do that. I don't type in domains in the address bar, so why would I think a word is worth anything?"

I can't tell you how many times I have heard this. The fact of the matter as we all know is that people do use Direct Navigation. We have the data to prove it. We don't plan our strategies based upon any individual's opinion. We plan them based upon the behavior of the group as a whole.

In this instance we are at a bit of a disadvantage not being native speakers. We do however have the knowledge of the patterns that already occurred in the Ascii domain space. Do you think that in 1996 when not even all the dictionary words had been bought up yet that anyone would have thought of building a website at G.com? They would argue that it doesn't mean anything and is therefore worthless. From experience we know that the namespace was bought up and short memorable domains became valuable.

As a result I am indifferent to how many keystrokes it takes to type in a single character kana.com name. What I am interested in is the following:

Do I think that the Japanese name space will eventually suffer the same fate as the Ascii and become thoroughly bought out?

Is the name short and memorable?

Does the name pass the radio test?

Am I willing to wait the extra time for a brand-able Japanese name to mature in value?
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Does "日本" difficult to type in by Japanese? In my system, I only need to type "rb" for "日本". I am sure there is a similar simple way for Japanese to type "日本". The beauty of Japanese idns, no matter in Hiragana, katakana or kanji, is that they are easily memorable and correctly typed in in later dates by native Japanese . For example, 粧.com, a rare Kanji char, Ryu can still remember it after so many days and correctly type it in. This demonstrated the power of Japanese idns.
to type 日本, i type nihon, then press space to change it into kanji, and then press ENTER to choose the first one in the list.

about 粧.com, i am not gonna say anything more. it's not related to this thread.
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Re: Regarding the japanese single char. auction

I think the real question here is that do Japanese people appreciate the fact that foreigners own prime Japanese IDNs?

So far from Ryu, we have heard that they will view us as vultures, if there are any disputes we should just turn over our IDNs to him, etc. The general attitude has been negative, which is worse than nothing at all.

I have to ask myself the question that why is he here to begin with? What is the motivation - to sell, to buy, to piss in the fire, what?

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