Evidence of type-in traffic

[thefabfive]

I agree that Russian type-in traffic does indeed come mainly from Opera.

[jacksonm]

Originally Posted by 261275

Source pls?

I read it just the other day that the number is currently approx 11%, but didn't find that link asap. Still looking.

It has come to the point now that Yandex has started subsidizing uplinks from smaller cities just to try to get more people online.

Actually, it was on Yandex english pages where I read this info. I'll try to find a link.

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[rhys]

Originally Posted by touchring

Sure, here:

language: ja-jp (safari?)



language: ja

That is truly impressive touch. One question, are either of these sites functional sites that would be useful enough for a user to bookmark?

[touchring]

Originally Posted by rhys

That is truly impressive touch. One question, are either of these sites functional sites that would be useful enough for a user to bookmark?

Not just one site, but a few dozen sites. I put all them into 1 analytics account. As you can see from the chart, i've not got much success with yahoo. Probably due to adsense. Most names get very few type-ins, maybe 1 or 2 within the entire period.

[rhys]

Originally Posted by touchring

Not just one site, but a few dozen sites. I put all them into 1 analytics account. As you can see from the chart, i've not got much success with yahoo. Probably due to adsense.

Sorry, sloppy question. My question is are any of your sites included here content or feature rich enough as to warrant users bookmarking your site and navigating directly to it again and again? Direct includes both bookmarking and type-in and it would be useful to tell the two apart. One way you can do that indirectly may be by looking at the % of repeat visitors by traffic source if you can do that.

[markits]

Touch, why the two images show such a different results? The first one shows 21% type-ins while the second one 2.7%. That's a big difference.

[Rubber Duck]

My question is that if a developed site can achieve 21%, why is unreasonable to assume that an undeveloped site cannot achieve a much higher percentage such as 100%, or do we assume that you are getting 21% returning visitors typing in? If that where the case then browser support must be much higher than 21%, n'est pas! Yes, I suppose that support could be IE6 with bookmarks! Silly me.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by rhys

Sorry, sloppy question. My question is are any of your sites included here content or feature rich enough as to warrant users bookmarking your site and navigating directly to it again and again? Direct includes both bookmarking and type-in and it would be useful to tell the two apart. One way you can do that indirectly may be by looking at the % of repeat visitors by traffic source if you can do that.

Not really feature rich, but they spent only 40 seconds, so i guess you can gauge from there. The repeat visitor stats is also on the screen capture. Some of the repeat visit might be by accident. From my comparison with my other sites, 90% new doesn't say much. If it were 85% new or less, than it will mean repeat for sure.

Originally Posted by markits

Touch, why the two images show such a different results? The first one shows 21% type-ins while the second one 2.7%. That's a big difference.

The other one is safari. The fact that safari gets just a bit less than half as much type-in as firefox and ie just shows how pathetic the two's marketshare.

[markits]

Originally Posted by touchring

The other one is safari. The fact that safari gets just a bit less than half as much type-in as firefox and ie just shows how pathetic the two's marketshare.

What I am getting here is that the type-in pie is actually quite big if browser support is available, right?

[touchring]

Depends on the indexing part also, if you rank well, you'll get more search engine traffic, and less direct in comparison.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by rhys

The chief question in Japan in my mind is not 1. "Will Advertisers jump aboard an IDN bandwagon" because they will once this makes sense to do so. It is not, 2. "Are Japanese people able to type in Japanese?" because they can. Rather, the important question is 3. "Will Japanese people type in URLs if they have the browsers to do so?" This is the question that keeps me up at night.

Well, I can't say it keeps me up at night, but yes the question of whether they can or will transfer those typing skills to the Address Bar is a key one. I cannot say I am unduly worried, because if there are technical issues around being able to type into the address bar they will get resolved and I am sure the Japanese will do it even if it takes a while for them to change their browsing behaviour.

I don't believe that under any given scenario, Japanese is going to be catching Russian up fast, but of course anything we get from Japan will be a bonus.

[jacksonm]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

I don't believe that under any given scenario, Japanese is going to be catching Russian up fast, but of course anything we get from Japan will be a bonus.

Russia is like Finland, nothing but polar bears and wooden 4-way stop signs. Divert your interests elsewhere.

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[websjapan]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Well, I can't say it keeps me up at night, but yes the question of whether they can or will transfer those typing skills to the Address Bar is a key one. I cannot say I am unduly worried, because if there are technical issues around being able to type into the address bar they will get resolved and I am sure the Japanese will do it even if it takes a while for them to change their browsing behaviour.

what i've noticed is that a) who uses the internet from a pc in japan anyways so the most important question is will there be enough IDN enabled cell phones

b) yahoo = internet in japan. just as a while ago in the uk many people thought they had to type the domain into google to find the page, the same applies here. its gonna be a while before the japanese get into direct navigation i think. but once they get it it will be awesome

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by websjapan

what i've noticed is that a) who uses the internet from a pc in japan anyways so the most important question is will there be enough IDN enabled cell phones

b) yahoo = internet in japan. just as a while ago in the uk many people thought they had to type the domain into google to find the page, the same applies here. its gonna be a while before the japanese get into direct navigation i think. but once they get it it will be awesome

I don't think you have to worry about mobiles being IDN capable. The only browser that has ever been conceived to not cope with Punycode, but instead to talk to some imaginary Unicode ready DNS is IE6. It was obsolete when it was written. It sure as hell is obsolete now. I can't see the Japanese going for that in a big way on the mobile phone.

[rhys]

Originally Posted by websjapan

what i've noticed is that a) who uses the internet from a pc in japan anyways so the most important question is will there be enough IDN enabled cell phones

b) yahoo = internet in japan. just as a while ago in the uk many people thought they had to type the domain into google to find the page, the same applies here. its gonna be a while before the japanese get into direct navigation i think. but once they get it it will be awesome

My understanding is that there is no shortage of IDN supporting mobile browsers in Japan but please correct us if we are wrong on that. Based on that idea, it really isn't a question.

The question I think you are asking in "B" - is the exact same question I am asking when I started this thread which is, "what evidence do we have that Japanese users will eventually type-in once their browser is IDN capable?"

If you have some evidence of type-in traffic from mac users or otherwise, it would be valuable. Touch gave us some good evidence. I have a nice domain that supports my hypothesis that Japanese will indeed type-in someday. Anybody else have data from google analytics or another stat package?

[burnsinternet]

For what it is worth, I see type in from Cyrillic (probably accidental, nothing is indexed in Rambler or Yandex). I also see Yahoo and/or Google referrals to Greek & Japanese when the site is indexed (parked or not) versus type-in. Virtually no Japanese type-in from Asia.

I haven't checked Arabic, but the traffic is actually starting to flow consistently for my Arabic domains. I don't seem to be indexed anywhere, but I am not sure of the traffic source.

[websjapan]

over xmas a (the) xmas related .jp idn i have got 8 hits and 1 click (33c after that nothing. i could only imagine that it was direct navigation. also, a couple of mine are ranking on keyword strength alone in the google serps and sometimes get a couple of hits and clicks (often $1+ but its not as frequent as i'd like!

i asked a q about the idn enabled phones a while ago and some kind soul posted a list - about 15-20 if i remember rightly. not so impressive considering the 100+ phones i can see in my local electrical store

however things change and i dont keep up with this so if anyone else has some better data it would be great to hear it

[jacksonm]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

It might be if you have a predominantly Japanese portfolio. I am only really convinced of what I am seeing in Japan, because of what I am seeing in Russia.

Are any of your Russians indexed in Yandex?

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[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by jacksonm

Are any of your Russians indexed in Yandex?

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As far as I know Yandex is not indexing IDN, but we are always willing to be advised otherwise. If it were it might be looking into doing web development in Russian.