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Ryu 9th January 2008 02:00 PM

These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
I am Japanese who does type in. (Rhys, there is at least one Japanese man here who is indeed typing in!)

at the moment, i type mostly ascii domains in because there aren't many Japanese IDNs around. however, there is one Japanese IDN I do frequently type in. that's Olney's キーワードアドバイスツール.jp. (KeywordAdviseTool.jp) Olney has both .jp and .com and I actually used to use his .com domain name more often. However, after some time, it started annoying me that I had to convert from Japanese typing mode to ascii one each time i type キーワードアドバイスツール.com. Converting the typing mode takes me only a second but it is certainly better if I don't have to. And the thing is, I don't need to covert typing mode at all if I use .jp domains. that's because i can keep using Japanese roma-ji typing mode and type in "。jp" instead of ".jp". And it works perfectly fine. you cannot do this with .com because as soon as you type .co in the roma-ji input mode, co gets converted to hiragana こ.

now i am so comfortable with typing "。jp" that i almost never uses his .com version of keyword advise tool.

it's the same thing when i randomly type in some top Japanese IDNs just for the sake of fun. These days I almost always start with 。jp to see if there is any website up. dot com sounds good and looks kinda better than .jp, too. but .com cannot beat .jp when it comes to the ease of typing in.

this is just one man's experience. and i have no intension to conclude that the same would apply to other japanese people. and i know that there are many people here who believe that .com is sperior to .jp. and you thinking that way is perfectly fine for me. people have different opinions and that's cool. i am just talking about my experience and i have nothing to defend.

jacksonm 9th January 2008 02:04 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Ryu,
That is damned useful information and provides a critical piece of understanding for how Japanese type-in will likely emerge.

Thankfully most of my good Japanese IDNs are in .jp :-)

.

Fka200 9th January 2008 02:07 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Thanks for that, Ryu ;)

Rubber Duck 9th January 2008 02:09 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Valid points indeed.

Of course introduction of Aliasing might change the picture again.

markits 9th January 2008 02:10 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
"。com" works in here (ie7) which means you don't need to switch typing mode. Have you tried that in your computer?

try http://ヤマダ。com Click the domain name please. Under ie7, the Japanese and Chinese dot "。" works the same as the English dot "." in domain names.

Ryu 9th January 2008 02:19 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markits
"。com" works in here (ie7) which means you don't need to switch typing mode. Have you tried that in your computer?

try http://ヤマダ。com Click the domain name please. Under ie7, the Japanese and Chinese dot "。" works the same as the English dot "." in domain names.

i know it works fine. but if you try to type "。com" in roma-ji typing mode, you will end up with "。こm".

touchring 9th January 2008 02:22 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markits
"。com" works in here (ie7) which means you don't need to switch typing mode. Have you tried that in your computer?

try http://ヤマダ。com Click the domain name please. Under ie7, the Japanese and Chinese dot "。" works the same as the English dot "." in domain names.


have you tried chinese。com?

i'm actually not worried about the switching part, the browsers will auto switch at the software level before people really start using idns.

markits 9th January 2008 02:27 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
have you tried chinese。com?

Yes tried, no problem.

http://山西。com

touchring 9th January 2008 02:31 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markits
Yes tried, no problem.

http://山西。com


do you type in the http:// as well? when i type in 山西。com into IE, mine got hijacked by google. 山西.com is ok though.

555 9th January 2008 02:36 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
the browsers will auto switch at the software level before people really start using idns.

Elaborate pls?

markits 9th January 2008 02:36 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
do you type in the http:// as well? when i type in 山西。com into IE, mine got hijacked by google. 山西.com is ok though.

No I don't type http://. Just type "山西。com" to the address bar works fine here.

touchring 9th January 2008 02:39 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markits
No I don't type http://. Just type "山西。com" to the address bar works fine here.


got hijacked by google plugin. :o

markits 9th January 2008 02:41 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
got hijacked by google plugin. :o

get rid of the spyware

touchring 9th January 2008 02:41 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 261275
Elaborate pls?


Means the browser will auto switch keys to ascii after you type dot com or dot cn. The most popular chinese input software, 搜狗 already has ascii auto detect built-in. The moment you type something it cannot convert into chinese, it will convert to ascii mode. I'm no programmer but i think it is not rocket science to do auto switching.

alpha 9th January 2008 02:46 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring
Means the browser will auto switch keys to ascii after you type dot com or dot cn. The most popular chinese input software, 搜狗 already has ascii auto detect built-in. The moment you type something it cannot convert into chinese, it will convert to ascii mode. I'm no programmer but i think it is not rocket science to do auto switching.

so.....

we are now eaglerly awaiting IE?8? to get to saturation point before we is rich people.

markits 9th January 2008 02:54 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
To prevent auto convert ascii to Chinese char is simple, just press the Caps Lock or Press SHIFT while you are typing.

Agree with touch, ie8 will surely improve this.

Rubber Duck 9th January 2008 03:37 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markits
No I don't type http://. Just type "山西。com" to the address bar works fine here.

Typing http:// is for IE6 users. Nobody should need to do this!

Giant 9th January 2008 03:41 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
My OS is Vista with IE7. I have both Chinese and Japanese Input Method set up.

I type "riben.com" ---> "日本。com" (Chinese IME)

I type "nihon.com" ---> "日本。com" (Japanese IME)

Both work! (without http://)

Rubber Duck 9th January 2008 03:51 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
Actually I have just typed bbc.co.uk into IE6 on another machine in the office, and even that no longer requires http://, so the assumption is that ALL browser automatically append this protocol.

Of course the Protocol is still required. The fact that you don't see and don't explicitly need to type it, doesn't mean it is not there.

Giant 9th January 2008 03:53 PM

Re: These days I prefer "。jp" to ".com"
 
I also notice the bar shows the Unicode domain name, not Punycode.

I typed "toyota.com", the address bar shows "トヨタ。com". And it works!


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