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Wink Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

http://info.nic.ru/st/23/out_1785.shtml

One I like much:
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Две трети новых доменов верхнего уровня, которые появятся в 2008 году, придутся на домены группы IDN (многоязычные домены, состоящие из символов национальных алфавитов).
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Two-thirds of new top-level domains, which are available in 2008, will be IDN domains (multiple domains consisting of characters language).
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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http://info.nic.ru/st/23/out_1785.shtml

One I like much:

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So is runic really going ahead with splitting the root?

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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

There are nothing about it...

The forecast is translated from west I think.

Here I found the answer for Your question jackson - http://telnews.ru/event/16133

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Относительно технической стороны вопроса он добавил: «Нет никакой речи о том, чтобы ввести отдельные корневые сервера для .РФ. Домен будет поддерживаться на уже существующих корневых серверах.
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Regarding the technical side, he added: "There is no question about that impose particular root server .РФ. The domain will be maintained at the existing root servers.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

Very good news! Thanks! IDN.IDN will go full force in Russia. I am willing to bet they will be the first in the root. They also discuss Chinese IDN.IDN in here.

Nice story refuting the British reports here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...net.censorship

Regarding the technical side, he added: "There is no question about that impose particular root server. RF. The domain will be maintained at the existing root servers."

http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...&hl=en&ie=UTF8


Относительно технической стороны вопроса он добавил: «Нет никакой речи о том, чтобы ввести отдельные корневые сервера для .РФ. Домен будет поддерживаться на уже существующих корневых серверах.»

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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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There are nothing about it...

The forecast is translated from west I think.

Here I found the answer for Your question jackson - http://telnews.ru/event/16133



Translation:Regarding the technical side, he added: "There is no question about that impose particular root server .РФ. The domain will be maintained at the existing root servers.

So runic is claiming that they have been granted the .РФ namespace by ICANN and they will launch it in 2008? Is this what you are saying? That is what it sounds like to me.

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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

http://www.domainesinfo.fr/english/1...t-for-idns.php

Here is a related article in english.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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So is runic really going ahead with splitting the root?

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So runic is claiming that they have been granted the .РФ namespace by ICANN and they will launch it in 2008? Is this what you are saying? That is what it sounds like to me.

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This has been a done deal for a year or so. It is just been about how it is all publicised and set out in formal policy framework.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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This has been a done deal for a year or so. It is just been about how it is all publicised and set out in formal policy framework.

Got any links to ICANN documents, meeting minutes, etc where runic was granted the IDN extension and for 2008?

Or is this a public secret?

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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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Got any links to ICANN documents, meeting minutes, etc where runic was granted the IDN extension and for 2008?

Or is this a public secret?

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You will get nothing until the Policy is formalised and implemented. That is how it works. But trust me this is a done deal. Russia will be given the cyrillic equivalent of RF in June.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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You will get nothing until the Policy is formalised and implemented. That is how it works. But trust me this is a done deal. Russia will be given the cyrillic equivalent of RF in June.
OK. If you know this, then do you also know if it will be aliased or a new namespace?

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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

And what will be with russian dot com IDNs?
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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OK. If you know this, then do you also know if it will be aliased or a new namespace?

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It will be a separate namespace. This is why I know that they have had serious indepth discussions with ICANN. There will be no IDN under .ru because that would create automatic phishing problems. Because the Cyrllic version of RF is going to be unmistakably Cyrillic then if it is only used with Cyrillic Keywords then there is no problem. Also by doing it this way they can stick to existing ICANN script mixing rules. RF is going to be an IDN only registry and RU is not going to be doing IDN at all. There will be no aliasing in this instance.

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And what will be with russian dot com IDNs?
I believe that .com and .net will be aliased to their Cyrillic counter-parts. This will not require DNAMES. We shall just have to wait and see over what time scale this will be implemented, but the market in Russian IDN will be flying by then. I can assure you that the market is already active, but I am only prepared to sell a few (less than an handful), so somebody else will have to come through with the domains, if the secondary market is going to get feedstock it will need to get fully established.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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And what will be with russian dot com IDNs?
Traffic explosion. 99% of Russian internet users are not aware they can type-in Russian in the address bar. So, .RF implementation will teach them that it's possible and more convenient to do that try to transliterate Russian words. As type-in traffic explodes, .RF and .COM/.NET will rip the rewards.

Quick math - say you have a solid Russian IDN.com with 1MM Yandex score. Yandex has only 40% or so market share, so 2.5MM searches are being conducted per month. In ascii word, type-in is around 10%-15% of searches, so let's assume that in 1-2 years in Russia you'll get only 2% of type-in traffic, which is 50,000 visitors. How much will .com get vs .rf? Let's call it 30%/70%; that's 15,000 type-ins per month or 500 a day. How much daily traffic do you get on it now? Well, divide 500 by that and you'll get the approximate multiple.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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Traffic explosion. 99% of Russian internet users are not aware they can type-in Russian in the address bar. So, .RF implementation will teach them that it's possible and more convenient to do that try to transliterate Russian words. As type-in traffic explodes, .RF and .COM/.NET will rip the rewards.

99% only? Not 99.99?
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Traffic explosion. 99% of Russian internet users are not aware they can type-in Russian in the address bar. So, .RF implementation will teach them that it's possible and more convenient to do that try to transliterate Russian words. As type-in traffic explodes, .RF and .COM/.NET will rip the rewards.

Quick math - say you have a solid Russian IDN.com with 1MM Yandex score. Yandex has only 40% or so market share, so 2.5MM searches are being conducted per month. In ascii word, type-in is around 10%-15% of searches, so let's assume that in 1-2 years in Russia you'll get only 2% of type-in traffic, which is 50,000 visitors. How much will .com get vs .rf? Let's call it 30%/70%; that's 15,000 type-ins per month or 500 a day. How much daily traffic do you get on it now? Well, divide 500 by that and you'll get the approximate multiple.
Looks wonderful But this will be only if .com become .ком I think.

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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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Looks wonderful But this will be only if .com become .ком I think.


LOL :D
If that happens, .rf/.com will be 30/70.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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If that happens, .rf/.com will be 30/70.
If they will be opened at same time - shure.

But if .рф comes earlier? If .ком comes earlier?

I think what comes earlier - it win.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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If they will be opened at same time - shure.

But if .рф comes earlier? If .ком comes earlier?

I think what comes earlier - it win.
Dot Com is already winning!

Google search result for:

"загрузка.com" 2520

"загрузка.рф" 2

"загрузка.ком" 2

"загрузка.RU" 246
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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I believe that .com and .net will be aliased to their Cyrillic counter-parts. This will not require DNAMES.
Yes ICANN certainly seems cold on the idea of DNAME aliasing and will probably never permit it. So the alternative is multiple IDN versions of the gTLDs added to the root (e.g., .ком). and forwarded back to the existing gTLDs. This will be a smart solution for ICANN and a profitable one for Verisign, because Verisign will be able to charge extra reg fees for existing IDN owners to buy up the IDN root equivalents. Of course, if .ком is not forwarded back and operates as an independent registry, then existing gTLD IDN owners are basically stuffed. But I would think that the problem of phishing would rule out that possibility (one would hope!).

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I think what comes earlier - it win.
It would certainly make it harder for .COM owners if .рф comes out first. The key issue is also development. If Russian developers take to .рф in a big way first, this may make it difficult for .COM to compete, regardless of who comes out first. User habits (such as those shown by RD's Google stats) would quickly change. This is why it is important that not all .COM IDNs just remain parked.
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Re: Domain forecasts for 2008 (russian)

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This is why it is important that not all .COM IDNs just remain parked.
What does parking (or not) of IDN.coms have to do with type-in traffic?
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