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Old 20th March 2006, 03:26 PM
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Exclamation What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

Well, i have a fighting feeling inside about these kind of IDNs.
These domains are used with the i-dns plug in, but seems like the china nic its resolving it automaticaly right now and can be accessed for more than 50 million users...

I only have one of these kind of domains 朋友.公司 that in english would be FRIENDS.com

What do you think about this
Do you think its worth the reg?
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Old 20th March 2006, 03:30 PM
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

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Well, i have a fighting feeling inside about these kind of IDNs.
These domains are used with the i-dns plug in, but seems like the china nic its resolving it automaticaly right now and can be accessed for more than 50 million users...

I only have one of these kind of domains 朋友.公司 that in english would be FRIENDS.com

What do you think about this
Do you think its worth the reg?
.公司 is actually the full word for ".Company", it's not a shortform or an abbreviation. So what you have is Friend(s).Company.

Go for keywords that go well with .company, e.g. insurance.company, creditcard.company, etc.

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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

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Well, i have a fighting feeling inside about these kind of IDNs.
These domains are used with the i-dns plug in, but seems like the china nic its resolving it automaticaly right now and can be accessed for more than 50 million users...

I only have one of these kind of domains 朋友.公司 that in english would be FRIENDS.com

What do you think about this
Do you think its worth the reg?
How much did u pay for it and where/when did u reg it?
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

you can get it at i-dns.net

I also have the LOAN.net domain
That is closer to what you said...

贷款.网络
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

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you can get it at i-dns.net

I also have the LOAN.net domain
That is closer to what you said...

贷款.网络
.网络 is network, so 贷款.网络 is loan(s).network.

Actually, friend(s).network works out well, definitely better than friend(s).company.
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

well, managed to get what i could
hehehe
I know, but maybe there is some value on them, regarding the keyword
What you think?
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Do they get traffic?
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

They are new
I will wait for a week or so just to check
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

If .公司 is live and the i-dns plugin is widely used, you shouldn't have to wait a week - traffic should start appearing as soon as you get it in the DNS (unless it's 4am in China at the time).
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

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Do you think its worth the reg?
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

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If .公司 is live and the i-dns plugin is widely used, you shouldn't have to wait a week - traffic should start appearing as soon as you get it in the DNS (unless it's 4am in China at the time).

The traffic doesn't matter because most .公司 are registered by chinese companies, many, i think as many as half, register for 2-5 years at a go.

This is a typical example:

Domain Name 弹簧.公司
弹簧.公司.cn
彈簧.公司
彈簧.公司.cn

Domain Status ok
Registrant Name 沈安福
Registar Name 厦门市中资源网络服务有限公司
Name Server ns1.cnolnic.com
Name Server2 ns2.cnolnic.com
Create Date 2004-10-26 17:18
Expiration Date 2009-10-26 17:18
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

Any idea how many .公司 domains are registered and how many are live sites.

The traffic matters to me! If they dont get any traffic, they're worthless.

If they DO get trraffic, it indicates that when IE7 is spread and there's a Chinese IDN.IDN DNAMED to .com, our IDN.com's will see traffic.

If they DON'T get traffic, with 50 million Chinese users with the i-dns plug-in on their machine, we have MAJOR PROBLEMS.

Do i-dns use the same punycode encoding as ICANN-approved IDN's do?

I'd like to reg a test name that SHOULD get high traffic. $100 for 2 year minimum reg is a bummer though.
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

Any idea how many .公司 domains are registered and how many are live sites.

>>> I managed to use google to retrieve a search list of .公司 sites while researching keywords to register 2 weeks ago, can't replicate what i did.


The traffic matters to me! If they dont get any traffic, they're worthless.

>>> Do the drops you catch get traffic? Asian idn is a new concept and they do not get "typo traffic" - no one is going to accidently type in chinese and then switch font to add a .com.


If they DO get trraffic, it indicates that when IE7 is spread and there's a Chinese IDN.IDN DNAMED to .com, our IDN.com's will see traffic.

>>> No doubt that IDN.com will see traffic. Most major chinese sites are using .com or .net, it's natural that they will consider promoting idn.com.


If they DON'T get traffic, with 50 million Chinese users with the i-dns plug-in on their machine, we have MAJOR PROBLEMS.

>>> The plugin is now irrelevant since ISPs are told to resolve .公司 to .公司.cn (this is ICANN recognized). Their timing is perfect. Why? Because without IE7, there is no point in doing that since IE6 doesn't support IDN and a plugin is still needed. Those guys who saw this last NOV are now sitting on terrific names.


Do i-dns use the same punycode encoding as ICANN-approved IDN's do?

>>> Yes, they are actually .公司.cn (this is ICANN recognized). Just that China ISPs made it easier by resolving .公司 to .公司.cn. Whether they can get ICANN to support resolving .公司 to .公司.cn at the root level, is still unknown - so we can assume it won't happen, and if it does happen, it's a bonus.


I'd like to reg a test name that SHOULD get high traffic. $100 for 2 year minimum reg is a bummer though.

>>> You can get a name from Chinese ISPs for $35 a year (59domain put up a link to a list the other day).


CNNIC has planned .公司 even in 1997, they probably got a 20 year plan for that ctld, so we just register, sit back and watch the show. Well, put it this way, i feel that i'm already very shortsighted by overlooking the potential of this extension until recently. I felt like kicking myself at the back when i saw all the goodies gone only a few mths back.

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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

Ah OK. So forget regging through i-dns. Just get .cn instead.

So China screwed i-dns then?
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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

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Ah OK. So forget regging through i-dns. Just get .cn instead.

So China screwed i-dns then?

I do not know what's the relationship between i-dns and cnnic. I believe that the higher price from i-dns maybe a dual pricing strategy - so that forieigners pay more, or simply because i-dns took the advantage to mark up the price as they know foriegners can't register domains via chinese isps that have their website entirely in chinese.

Also, be warned that once you register a domain using i-dns, you can't transfer out, and if i-dns decides to raise prices to $200 for 2-years later, you can't do much about that. This is something i can't accept. :-)

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Re: What you think about xxxx.公司 IDNs?

The skeptic in me says that since i-dns' major investors are Silly Valley VCs, their driving motivation is an enriching exit strategy: sell it or take it public. To do either, they will want to show a nice balance sheet.

Before IE7, there was no competition to their native character domains. Life was good.

Now that IE7 resolves IDN correctly, all of a sudden i-dns has to deal with gTLD and ccTLD competition.

Their market share WILL drop further especially when registration cost is considered.

How will the VCs suggest they combat declining revenue? By raising fees of course!

Big caveat emptor here.
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