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Old 22nd January 2008, 05:16 AM
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Blood on The Street!

Another day of sharp losses on Asian Stock market. The Dow is set to drop about 1000 points.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/default.stm
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/f...et/default.stm
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Re: Blood on The Street!

The global financial system, stocks, prices, wealth are readjusting themselves... to get better.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 08:24 AM
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Re: Blood on The Street!

The stock market is now untouchable. After the new year, i just gota feeling that a dot com size stock bust will come Spring, like what happened in 2000. The US Feds may do an emergency rate cut to avert the 1000 point drop, but Q12008 reporting will still be a watershed.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 10:37 AM
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Re: Blood on The Street!

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The global financial system, stocks, prices, wealth are readjusting themselves... to get better.
Yes, but that could imply a massive re-distribution of wealth. For some things may never be quite the same again.

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The stock market is now untouchable. After the new year, i just gota feeling that a dot com size stock bust will come Spring, like what happened in 2000. The US Feds may do an emergency rate cut to avert the 1000 point drop, but Q12008 reporting will still be a watershed.
Bernanke needs to restore confidence quickly. To do that he must send a real signal to the market. At this stage he has three options. A full 1 percent off interest rates, nothing or 1 percent on. I am not sure which would have the best outcome.
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The Dow is set to drop about 1000 points.
Is that predicted in the articles in the BBC links...or your personal prediction?
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Old 22nd January 2008, 11:26 AM
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Is that predicted in the articles in the BBC links...or your personal prediction?
Well that was based on extrapolating what other markets had fallen in percentage terms since Wall Street closed. There is undoubtedly panic in the rest of the World over the parlous state of the US economy. If America is not shocked by this it will be even more alarming. It will mean that those who will have to finance the US Stimulation package have lost confidence, but the US itself still cannot see what the problem is. Bush's problem is that if foreign investors lose confidence totally, he is not going to much better off than Mugabe.

My personal guess is that the big issue shortly is going to be how to prevent investment cash haemorraging from the US economy. This may require interest rates to be raised substantially irrespectively of how much pain is caused.

Having said that early panic on the European markets seems to be subsiding for the time being.
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Bernanke needs to restore confidence quickly. To do that he must send a real signal to the market. At this stage he has three options. A full 1 percent off interest rates, nothing or 1 percent on. I am not sure which would have the best outcome.

Ben made a mistake, should have cut quarter point last week when investors were clamouring for it.
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all arabic stock markets are bleeding as well ....
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becos oil dropped a few bucks.
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Ben made a mistake, should have cut quarter point last week when investors were clamouring for it.
He just cut 3/4 point this morning, stocks still dropped 400 points...an indication to hold your ankles.
Just going to prolong the economic strain for a drawn out time IMO.

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He just cut 3/4 point this morning, stocks still dropped 400 points...an indication to hold your ankles.
Just going to prolong the economic strain for a drawn out time IMO.

Ben is buying time for paul to find a solution. So far, lots of talking. Who wants to bailout the banks? Everyone is trying to rip as much money from the system for themselves.
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He just cut 3/4 point this morning, stocks still dropped 400 points...an indication to hold your ankles.
Just going to prolong the economic strain for a drawn out time IMO.
The reflation strategy will work only if investment money gets pumped into projects in America.

The problem is a lot of money might end up being borrowed in America, for projects elsewhere. If America becomes the new carry trade source of financing other economies will benefit from Paulson's generosity. If that happens America will go through a deep and painful depression for no real purpose.

It might be that it would have been easier and ultimately less painful to allow the economy to go through its own correction.
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Wow, that was fast, gold switched minus -20 to +10.

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It might be that it would have been easier and ultimately less painful to allow the economy to go through its own correction.
There's no way to avoid a mini-depression (or serious recession) after a nationwide property bubble blows up. The last 100 years, can we find an instance of an economy that can avoid deflation after a real estate bubble bust? The higher is goes, the harder it falls, this is how nature works. And having said that, there are bubbles elsewhere in the world, much worst than florida or california.

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Wow, that was fast, gold switched minus -20 to +10.



There's no way to avoid a mini-depression (or serious recession) after a nationwide property bubble blows up. The last 100 years, can we find an instance of an economy that can avoid deflation after a real estate bubble bust? The higher is goes, the harder it falls, this is how nature works. And having said that, there are bubbles elsewhere in the world, much worst than florida or california.
The Republican's want to retain power so they cannot countenance a recession, however, much damage is done by their desperate attempts to reflate and prolong the American Dream.

There is no way the public will to embrace reality, so a downturn in the economy means defeat.

So the philosophy is to let everything go to hell in the hope of getting re-elected. Bush wants his epitaph and he will get it. He will go down as the man the destroyed the US Economy.
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