Why

[thefabfive]

I think it's also the domainer-to-domainer market that encourages the hype of these odd combinations (L-LL, LL-L, LLLL.net, L-L-L). I would be surprised if there are many end-user sales for these domains, but the hype continues because of a self-fulfilling illusion of rarity. It is clearly a bubble market and when the music stops, those domainers left holding tons of these will not be happy. The emphasis has shifted from traffic to novelty among the novice domainers.

With the increases in traffic that I'm sure many of us are seeing, I have no doubt this is an investment wave worth riding. There are still a few potential obstacles, but a well diversified portfolio should be fine regardless.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I think it's a bit more than than .. most Americans haven't ever even been out of their home country and so it stands to reason they just 'don't get it' .. (apart from thr occasional exception' ... 'we speak "american" after all so why shouldn't everyone else?'

If you come to Asia, I suggest making a trip to Macau, and the Venetian - take a look at the world's biggest casino, 500,000 sq ft of it, filled with people to full capacity.

[jose]

Originally Posted by 261275

At this point in time, If you had to choose 1 reason, what is the main reason the vast majority of domainers choose to ignore idn domains?
From domainers that hold pure generics to domainers that cant get enough of nnnnnnn.com's.
TRY and remain objective.

NO,NO,NO. I know the *real* why!

Because they could not do with IDN what they did with .mobi or .asia!
IDNs slipped through their fingers, and are now on the hands of the small fishes.
Big sharks don't want to make us rich.

I don't give a f*. Most of mine do very well parked and rock on SERPS when developed, lol. Don't need them. LOL

[Rubber Duck]

Absolutely right, and whether people like it or not dot Mobi and dot Asia are novelty extension that will gain no permanent traction. Domainer investment and development does not drive the market. That is done by huge corporations spending big buck on advertising.

Originally Posted by thefabfive

I think it's also the domainer-to-domainer market that encourages the hype of these odd combinations (L-LL, LL-L, LLLL.net, L-L-L). I would be surprised if there are many end-user sales for these domains, but the hype continues because of a self-fulfilling illusion of rarity. It is clearly a bubble market and when the music stops, those domainers left holding tons of these will not be happy. The emphasis has shifted from traffic to novelty among the novice domainers.

With the increases in traffic that I'm sure many of us are seeing, I have no doubt this is an investment wave worth riding. There are still a few potential obstacles, but a well diversified portfolio should be fine regardless.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

And back to the quote above, of course these reg’s we’re seeing are all speculative/risky. There’s no traffic/revenue/sales history to speak of.

Someone help me out here…

Speaking from a buyers point of view, we need to diversify into as many languages (major languages) as possible. Chinese, Russian, Russian, Latins.

Which languages will turn out to be big winners is not known to us. We can only speculate, we can't predict.

There's a lot of stereotypes out there, and the world is changing faster than we are aware of.

[Rubber Duck]

Do I detect the launching of an IDN Hedge Fund?

Originally Posted by touchring

Speaking from a buyers point of view, we need to diversify into as many languages (major languages) as possible. Chinese, Russian, Russian, Latins.

Which languages will turn out to be big winners is not known to us. We can only speculate, we can't predict.

There's a lot of stereotypes out there, and the world is changing faster than we are aware of.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Do I detect the launching of an IDN Hedge Fund?

Investing in IDN is the same as any kind of high risk investment with super high returns.

Place a mini-stake into as many draws as possible. A lottery strike on any of the draws will recover all stakes plus a handsome profit.

American billionaire Sheldon Adelson announced that his $2.4 billion Venetian Macao Resort Hotel on Cotai will contribute much to launch a massive, concentrated resort area he calls the Cotai Strip, after its Las Vegas counterpart. Adelson formally stated his plans to open more hotels under brands such as Four Seasons, Sheraton and St. Regis. Ergo, his Las Vegas Sands (which ran the Sands Macao on the Macau peninsula), plans to invest $12 billion and build 20,000 hotel rooms on the Cotai Strip by 2010.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venetian_Macao

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by touchring

Investing in IDN is the same as any kind of high risk investment with super high returns.

Place a mini-stake into as many draws as possible. A lottery strike on any of the draws will recover all stakes plus a handsome profit.

Yeah, but your hedge fund seems to be weighed down, using heavy yellow metal as ballast. An IDN portfolio should be like a racing dingy lifting out of the water, not like a Spanish Galleon laiden with gold.

[touchring]

With 75% of revenue coming from Macau, Las Vegas Sands Corp, might as well change its name to Macau Sands Corps.

$100 a person market, anyone??


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...0270&Type=HTML

Las Vegas Sands Corp. and Subsidiaries
Supplemental Data - Net Revenues by Resort
(In thousands)
(Unaudited)

Three Months Ended Twelve Months Ended
December 31, December 31,
2007 2006 2007 2006
-------------- -------------- -------------- --------------
The Venetian and The Palazzo $ 258,666 $ 290,356 $ 984,125 $ 959,700
Sands Macao 288,189 345,904 1,314,733 1,277,159
The Venetian Macao 500,405 - 650,496 -
Other Asia 1,213 - 1,213
-------------- -------------- -------------- --------------

$ 1,048,473 $ 636,260 $ 2,950,567 $ 2,236,859
============== ============== ============== ==============



Conclusion: We got a lot to learn.

[clipper]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Do I detect the launching of an IDN Hedge Fund?

Has this been discussed previously? I don't think it's as ludicrous as it may sound to those unfamiliar with the industry.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by clipper

Has this been discussed previously? I don't think it's as ludicrous as it may sound to those unfamiliar with the industry.

Can we short idns?

[clipper]

Originally Posted by touchring

Can we short idns?

In a market as illiquid as this, you can do just about anything, with the right amount of capital.

So, yes.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by camarro

ascii is a proven market. idn´s are not, and will not be until traffic\revenue rises.

This I think puts it all into perspective:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=music...ate=all&sort=0

In Spain, people still prefer to type 'musica' over 'música' by a fair margin. In fact, they even prefer to type 'music' over 'música'. ASCII domainers will not come to the party until this disparity is reduced. Of course, by then, it will be too late.

To be an IDNer is to be a visionary.

[sunsei21]

ok first of all namepros does not represent anything in the domain market as far as markets or information its crap. alkdjfajfa.com and all that stuff that is where it starts and stops mainly so i guess thats y the nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.com argument comes from anyone worth their salt is not buying into it unless its a flip or too.

now a good question is why does everyone want care if or even everyone else to buy idns if they are such a good idea? if the money will come and all that Why does it matter i personally do not care who buys or does not buy but thats me

if u were to tell me "Thar's Gold in Them Thar Hills" i doubt i would sound the sirens and tell the whole world of the fact if so wouldnt more people own prime ascii from 99 and 2000?

I know lots of ascii domainers that think idns are a good idea and still dont feel the need to invest at this point and i dont so who am i to convince them

[Rubber Duck]

Jay,

This kind of argument is very valid for Latin IDNs, and it may be presumptive to assume that things will change much for some languages. These arguments are, however, meaningless for non-Latin scripts which is what IDN were created for in the first place, and where most of the domains will ultimately be registered. It was China, Japan and Korea that pioneered IDN, and it is reasonable to assume that is where the biggest markets will be. It also interesting to note that these countries have a high acceptance level of the dot Com extension.

Originally Posted by Jay

This I think puts it all into perspective:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=music...ate=all&sort=0

In Spain, people still prefer to type 'musica' over 'música' by a fair margin. In fact, they even prefer to type 'music' over 'música'. ASCII domainers will not come to the party until this disparity is reduced. Of course, by then, it will be too late.

To be an IDNer is to be a visionary.

[jacksonm]

Originally Posted by sunsei21

if u were to tell me "Thar's Gold in Them Thar Hills" i doubt i would sound the sirens and tell the whole world of the fact

IDNs are worthless, OK? They don't rank in Google, people can't type them, they don't get any traffic, and they don't earn any revenue. That's the official story, and I'm sticking to it. Hell, if you ask ICANN, they don't even exist yet.

I personally do not give a flying f*ck if the namepros crowd avoids IDN forever. I would rather scratch my ass than be flooded with $15 offers.

.

[thegenius1]

Originally Posted by jacksonm

IDNs are worthless, OK? They don't rank in Google, people can't type them, they don't get any traffic, and they don't earn any revenue. That's the official story, and I'm sticking to it. Hell, if you ask ICANN, they don't even exist yet.

I personally do not give a flying f*ck if the namepros crowd avoids IDN forever. I would rather scratch my ass than be flooded with $15 offers.

.

Or their Famous Saying ... Reg Fee

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

These arguments are, however, meaningless for non-Latin scripts which is what IDN were created for in the first place, and where most of the domains will ultimately be registered.

Yep, non-Latins are a different kettle of fish. Here's one that kind of demonstrates that:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%D0%B...ate=all&sort=0

I'd be interested to see a graph that compares terms for 'music' in Japanese (native term vs transliteration vs English language equivalent). I'd appreciate if someone could show me the graph for that.

[Rubber Duck]

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%E9%9...pn&ctab=0&sa=N

[L@@K]

About musica, it's worst in brazil...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=music...ate=all&sort=0

The pbm with examples is there are always a 'counter' example...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=beaut...ate=all&sort=0

I still think dev is the key.
It's the only way to create the mkt.
If you put your idn number one, you create a buzz because most people (even in our industy) simply don't know about idn.
If they don't know, they can't type-in, so ascii domainers don't care about idn because idn is not a threat for them.
The same about webmasters & end users, the day they will see a idn number one, they will want one asap !

We need evidences we are right.
We need to create the mkt because it won't increase alone imo.
And for this I still think dev is the key, in all language, all countries

I well remember the day I posted a .ws was number one on gg.fr, the same day, a lot of ws were taken...