So, how much longer do we need to wait?

[Ryu]

I am a little bit dwarfed by the slow pace of IE7 penetration in the Japanese market after 13 Feb.
My access analysis tool shows only about 1/4 of visitors to my sites are using IE7.

How much longer do we need to wait till IE7 becomes a dominant browser in Japan? Any guesses?

These days I hear people saying Russian IDNs are starting to receive a significant number of clicks... How high is the browser support of IDNs in Russia? Are they over 70%? 80%?

I am a bit pissed and want to complain.... What's wrong with my fellow county men? Why don't they use Firefox, IE7, Opera, etc? Why do they stick to old outfashioned IE6 so badly...? Would they stick to old nonsensual ascii domains in the same manner for a long long time?

If so, we might need to wait for a looooong time till our Japanese domaining business becomes profitable...

These days I laugh when my non-Japanese friends say Japan is a high-tech world...

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Ryu

These days I laugh when my non-Japanese friends say Japan is a high-tech world...

High-tech but very traditional.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Ryu

These days I laugh when my non-Japanese friends say Japan is a high-tech world...

I think IDN has nothing to do with hi-tech. It is more a habit than technology.

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by touchring

I think IDN has nothing to do with hi-tech. It is more a habit than technology.

well, i would imagine a high tech world to be full of tech-savvy folks. and idn-capable browsers such as firefox and ie7 should appeal to them.

[yanni]

IE7 penetration won't do much for Japanese type-in traffic, if that's what you're asking.

Until perceptions change, Japanese surfers will be going to Yahoo and continue entering their search terms there.

It's a cultural thing; the Russians just seem to be ahead of the game, and any significant IE7 market uptake is equally reflected on the traffic.

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by yanni

IE7 penetration won't do much for Japanese type-in traffic, if that's what you're asking.

Until perceptions change, Japanese surfers will be going to Yahoo and continue entering their search terms there.

It's a cultural thing; the Russians just seem to be ahead of the game, and any significant IE7 market uptake is equally reflected on the traffic.

Without enough browser support, most companies and bloggers wouldn't start advertising their IDNs seriously... Neither would they switch their main web addresses from ascii to IDNs...

I don't think it's a cultural thing (search behavior). It's just a matter of how many IDNs are out there... being used by webmasters... For example, I am very well aware of IDNs, but I seldom type-in IDNs because I know chances are that there'd be no site. On the other hand, I have tried typing in a number of ascii names even before i became interested in domaining... I remember testing various English domain names with my Japanese friends during my school days... We were excited that there were actually websites built using these names we were typing.. We would have tried IDNs, too, if they were around...

[yanni]

Originally Posted by Ryu

Without enough browser support, most companies and bloggers wouldn't start advertising their IDNs seriously... Neither would they switch from ascii to IDNs as their main web addresses...

I don't think it's a cultural thing (search behavior). It's just a matter of how many IDNs are out there... being used by webmasters... For example, I am very well aware of IDNs, but I seldom type-in because I know chances are that there'd be no site. On the other hand, I have tried typing in a number of ascii names even before i became interested in domaining... I remember testing various English domain names with my Japanese friends during my school days... We would have tried IDNs, too, if they were around...

Well, I surely don't have anything to back this up, but I'm willing to bet that there are way less Russian IDN developed sites than Japanese(not minisites from domain investors - 100% commercial ones).

How then do you account for the Russian traffic if not for different search behavior?

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by yanni

Well, I surely don't have anything to back this up, but I'm willing to bet that there are way less Russian IDN developed sites than Japanese(not minisites from domain investors - 100% commercial ones).

How then do you account for the Russian traffic if not for different search behavior?

Maybe there are less Russian IDN websites around... But there are perhaps more browser supports and hence IDN advertisements.

In that case, there'd be more Russians than Japanese who are aware of IDNs. And I guess they are the ones who are typing-in. It's probably not a small number of people typing-in often as that would require many IDN websites up and running.. (People get bored soon if they type-in and see no websites)

But perhaps there are a significant number of Russian people who are aware of IDNs... and perhaps many of them try typing in despite not so often. Even a small number can make a big tide if they are aggregated.

[touchring]

as i understand, opera converts keywords into domains? e.g. auto adds .com. Am i correct?

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by yanni

Well, I surely don't have anything to back this up, but I'm willing to bet that there are way less Russian IDN developed sites than Japanese(not minisites from domain investors - 100% commercial ones).

How then do you account for the Russian traffic if not for different search behavior?

Also, I think Russians are overall more knowledgable about domain names in general. Russian webmasters must have been advertising their ascii domain names all the time. So, I imagine that many Russians know what domains are...

The situation is not quite the same in Japan... Companies and webmasters haven't tried so hard advertising their ascii names because these names are hard to remember anyway... As a result there are still many Japanes who haven't got a clue what domain names are, be it ascii or IDn..

Originally Posted by touchring

as i understand, opera converts keywords into domains? e.g. auto adds .com. Am i correct?

That was the case when I was using opera about a year ago... Now that I use Firefox, I don't know if it still works the same way.

[touchring]

1/4 is interesting, my japanese traffic barely increased since a month ago (15% at most). How's your stats like?

I'll be happy if i could get a IE multiplier of 2 on my JP names.

Originally Posted by Ryu

I am a little bit dwarfed by the slow pace of IE7 penetration in the Japanese market after 13 Feb.
My access analysis tool shows only about 1/4 of visitors to my sites are using IE7.

[Ryu]

My traffic has hardly increased, either.

However, one extremely dodge (yet generic) name I regged about a month ago has been rocking hard. Its traffic has already surpassed 1000 visits and 50 clicks for this month.

The name has a high ovt score of half a million... and there appears to be many websites of same or similar title...

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Ryu

My traffic has hardly increased, either.

However, one extremely dodge (yet generic) name I regged about a month ago has been rocking hard. Its traffic has already surpassed 1000 visits and 50 clicks for this month.

The name has a high ovt score of half a million... and there appears to be many websites of same or similar title...

Wow, a high ovt generic that is still available. Rare gem indeed.

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Ryu

These days I hear people saying Russian IDNs are starting to receive a significant number of clicks... How high is the browser support of IDNs in Russia? Are they over 70%? 80%?

The IDN browser penetration in Russia is on the rise and around 60%. Plus you need to multiply that Yandex score by 2.5 in order to get the full picture, since Yandex has only 40% market share. So, a generic with 2MM yandex score will imply that 5 million people are searching for that term each month. Don't be surprised to get close to 60-80 visitors per day on that domain with a decent (30%+) CTR.

[Rubber Duck]

It funny how those that turned up yesterday are always the most impatient.

Speculation is about investing. Then waiting for market perceptions to change. Seriously, if they had changed much in a couple of months, we would be in the middle of a stampede.

Anyway, who says there is no improvement?

[Ryu]

Originally Posted by Explorer

The IDN browser penetration in Russia is on the rise and around 60%. Plus you need to multiply that Yandex score by 2.5 in order to get the full picture, since Yandex has only 40% market share. So, a generic with 2MM yandex score will imply that 5 million people are searching for that term each month. Don't be surprised to get close to 60-80 visitors per day on that domain with a decent (30%+) CTR.

Thanks for your info about Russian names! It's very intriguing.

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

It funny how those that turned up yesterday are always the most impatient.

Speculation is about investing. Then waiting for market perceptions to change. Seriously, if they had changed much in a couple of months, we would be in the middle of a stampede.

Anyway, who says there is no improvement?

I may have turned up at IDNF yesterday. But, I have been IDNing fore more than a year.

Besides, it just makes me feel better to complain once in a while...

BTW, who was hyping about "J-Day"?

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Ryu

Thanks for your info about Russian names! It's very intriguing.



I may have turned up at IDNF yesterday. But, I have been IDNing fore more than a year.

Besides, it just makes me feel better to complain once in a while...

BTW, who was hyping about "J-Day"?

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[Ryu]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

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Thanks. Very interesting... And the AU started in Russia on 1 Jan 2007...

So it took Russians almost a year before a majority of them switched from IE6 to IE7...

[Fka200]

With a planned release of IE8 Mid-2008, I think we are going to be doing better then expected in 2009.