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Old 1st March 2008, 10:43 AM
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This is a golden opportunity

I have few apare minutes and just want to say congratulations to these early birds.

While the idn aftermarket seems to be quiet recently, idn traffic continues to increase sharply. The Chinese single char com traffic trippled compared to last month; some Swedish domains first showed traffic since their registration two years ago.

A golden opportunity, are you in it?
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some Swedish domains first showed traffic since their registration two years ago.
Wow, you have kept domains with zero traffic for more than two years? Now that's what I call faith!

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Old 1st March 2008, 11:57 AM
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Re: This is a golden opportunity

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Wow, you have kept domains with zero traffic for more than two years? Now that's what I call faith!

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I have kept domains with zero traffic for four years and will continue to do so.

I imagine there are others that have kept them much longer.

It may seem mad, but then again it took a year or two, sometime three to see anything on ones that are doing quite well now.

I had listened to all the naysayers here and elsewhere I would have a load of dead beat domains in dead beat extensions. Whilst we are to a large degree living on hope that hope is very real and will be vindicated.
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Re: This is a golden opportunity

I think jackson is referring to latins with similar asciis. Naturally they get traffic. One can't compare such latins with non-latin domains.
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I have lots and lots of no traffic domains.
I guess many generic biz info even org domains (asciis) are not having traffics now, not to mention the mobis.
You sure follower.mobi has traffic?
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Re: This is a golden opportunity

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I think jackson is referring to latins with similar asciis. Naturally they get traffic. One can't compare such latins with non-latin domains.
Yes, we are talking about Swedish domains here :-)

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Yes, we are talking about Swedish domains here :-)

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Yeah, we've already heared quite a few times about your Scandinavian domains and that they get traffic. Good for you.

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Re: This is a golden opportunity

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Yeah, we've already heared quite a few times about your Scandinavian domains and that they get traffic. Good for you.

Markits is the one who brought up Swedish domains, see the first post. I was simply amazed that he kept them for over two years without any traffic. Like I said, that's faith :-)

I actually have very few Swedish domains, maybe 6 or 7.

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I think jackson is referring to latins with similar asciis. Naturally they get traffic. One can't compare such latins with non-latin domains.
Why is it more natural for Latin IDN to receive traffic than Non-Latin. I would have thought the reverse was true. The only thing that I see that favours Latin at this moment in time is a higher uptake of IDN supporting browsers. Believe me that advantage will be short lived.
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Re: This is a golden opportunity

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Why is it more natural for Latin IDN to receive traffic than Non-Latin.
I will give my opinion on this. I think it's because people who are already typing in latin characters will often naturally make a slip-up and type ä instead of a, for example. Of course, it's not really a slip-up...

I think that today, most non-latin character set users "understand" that they can not type these characters and expect them to work. Of course, their understanding is not really correct.

Sure, non-latin IDN traffic will eventually become much higher for non-latins simply because in non-latin scripts every word is an IDN. Most latin script based languages actually have very few IDN possibilities, but they are quite naturally used already today.

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Wow, you have kept domains with zero traffic for more than two years? Now that's what I call faith!

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I have some zero (or very low) traffic Japanese IDNs, registered on November 10, 2000, which is the first day they were available, under the "test bed."
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I have some zero (or very low) traffic Japanese IDNs, registered on November 10, 2000, which is the first day they were available, under the "test bed."

I surrender. This is faith. LOL.
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I surrender. This is faith. LOL.
Yes, but the one thing you can be sure of is that those that have shown such faith to this point are not going to throw the towel in now.

How many marathon runners do you see give up in the last 100 metres?
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Re: This is a golden opportunity

Well I have some premium .biz I scooped up that get no traffic .. will I be keeping them? Yes .. I also have some .com / .net that get little to no traffic will I be keeping them? Yes ..
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Yes, but the one thing you can be sure of is that those that have shown such faith to this point are not going to throw the towel in now.

How many marathon runners do you see give up in the last 100 metres?

Unlike ASCII landrush, IDNing is not a lottery where you know the results the next day. The technology is not ready yet, the end user take up is also not there yet. And besides, people have been using ASCII domains for about 10 years by now.

Sure IDN will succeed eventually, but i think it's going to take years. Back in 2005, i estimated 5-7 years to see any sign of success. We've past 2 years, so at least another 3 more to go.

In the meantime, Microsoft is dragging their feet. They are losing marketshare by the month to Firefox even after adding in IE7, but they don't seem to be nervous about it. So I guess we'll just need to wait for firefox to take over them and maybe everyone start using gmail instead of exchange! Only then bill gates will say, WTF!!

I'm not afraid of idn.idn, i'm more concerned how long it will take Microsoft to carry out all the unauthenticated AU and whether they will make IE7 download mandatory, like what they did for IE4/5.

Also, that IE7 or activex incompatibility issue, how many years do they need to upgrade the code? A programming issue like this shouldn't take more than 4 weeks to remedy. I don't buy that argument.

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I am a late starter, only own very few good domains. But I receive lots of unsolicited offers and my monthly idn rev is at $xxx now. Based on this I envy these early birds and want to say congratulations to them.
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Re: This is a golden opportunity

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Also, that IE7 or activex incompatibility issue, how many years do they need to upgrade the code? A programming issue like this shouldn't take more than 4 weeks to remedy. I don't buy that argument.

Well what you need to understand is that these activex controls etc. are inside of 3rd party software. Convincing 3rd party software vendors to do new releases is like pulling teeth - simple bug fixes can even take 2-3 years. If the problem affects you hard enough, you can do business escalation and they will then issue you a "site specific patch". Software which is involved with financial management needs to be extensively tested and certified, etc. - the process can take months. These people are not going to release new versions just because a new browser comes out; people want to use their service and therefore the browser and browser version can be dictated. That is business reality.

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Yes, but the delays in AU were to give these guys the opportunity to fix. I think most of them have. The rest will just have to work it out.

From what I have been seeing uptake of IE7 in Japan is already anywhere between 15 and 20%. It won't take years. There is just no fundamental logic for that assumption.

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Well what you need to understand is that these activex controls etc. are inside of 3rd party software. Convincing 3rd party software vendors to do new releases is like pulling teeth - simple bug fixes can even take 2-3 years. If the problem affects you hard enough, you can do business escalation and they will then issue you a "site specific patch". Software which is involved with financial management needs to be extensively tested and certified, etc. - the process can take months. These people are not going to release new versions just because a new browser comes out; people want to use their service and therefore the browser and browser version can be dictated. That is business reality.

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Duck, can you give 1 example of the names you're keeping without traffic ?
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Re: This is a golden opportunity

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I am a late starter, only own very few good domains. But I receive lots of unsolicited offers and my monthly idn rev is at $xxx now. Based on this I envy these early birds and want to say congratulations to them.
And I envy you based on your post and want to say congratulations.
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