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Old 22nd March 2008, 02:03 PM
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Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

http://www.sevenmile.com/2008-03/everybody-sells/

Very incisive in every detail, except there was no mention of languages.

Nevertheless, you should all read it. It might be a lot of the flippers here pause for thought, and it certainly offers an explanation as to why those with good portfolios are not tendering cheaply to those that would help to develop the market on their behalf. :p
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

Intresting read. Of course he is talking about quality domains and not the crap that one usually sees on most of the fourm boards.
I remember when business.com sold. The following week, thousands of businessxxxx,coms were created. The vast majority were garbage. Same with Casino, poker,sex etc...
People need to see what the trends are in IDNs and publication of the high $$ sales needs to be posted. This will create and influx of people that would get into the market. Face it, the crappy domains have their place. They add value to the actual premium words for quality domains. IDNs need this market in order to progress.
If there were a few huge sales in the .name extension, I am sure that that that crappy domain would even take off.
RD if you have the time, a "recent sales" section with price might be a good add to your forum, as it probably wont happen here.
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

Yes, excellent post by Frank.

Thanks for the link.

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Old 22nd March 2008, 02:52 PM
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

I disagree. I think to have an open robust after market you need traffic.

Traffic will come when big corporates advertise IDN.com web addresses and not before.

Sellers don't publish because buyers don't want publicity. And because buyers are valued seller don't want to tell everyone else who they are. There is nothing new here. The ASCII markets were much the same in the early days, and one might argue still are to a large degree.

Once Traffic arrives, the holders of better portfolios will either spend their energy developing or just relax and wait for the market to mature whilst living off the parking revenues. The latter strategy is likely to be just as lucrative as the former. Of course some of might decide to go long-tail. There again we might just not bother. In any event, it will be difficult to work out what is going on as the murky plot unravels.


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Intresting read. Of course he is talking about quality domains and not the crap that one usually sees on most of the fourm boards.
I remember when business.com sold. The following week, thousands of businessxxxx,coms were created. The vast majority were garbage. Same with Casino, poker,sex etc...
People need to see what the trends are in IDNs and publication of the high $$ sales needs to be posted. This will create and influx of people that would get into the market. Face it, the crappy domains have their place. They add value to the actual premium words for quality domains. IDNs need this market in order to progress.
If there were a few huge sales in the .name extension, I am sure that that that crappy domain would even take off.
RD if you have the time, a "recent sales" section with price might be a good add to your forum, as it probably wont happen here.
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

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It might be a lot of the flippers here pause for thought, and...
Ouch! :p
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

I'm do not know if i agree with what he says, but i agree that $100million isn't much today.
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Old 22nd March 2008, 03:18 PM
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

A lot more today than this time next month! :p
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

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A lot more today than this time next month! :p

Precisely, he is holding onto names that earn dollar. From the look of it, the US Fed is determined to devalue the dollar to save the bank owners. His portfolio is shrinking in value as the months go by.
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Old 22nd March 2008, 05:50 PM
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Precisely, he is holding onto names that earn dollar. From the look of it, the US Fed is determined to devalue the dollar to save the bank owners. His portfolio is shrinking in value as the months go by.
Well domains revenue streams that are dependent on the US economy are undoubtedly more at risk than those that are not.

At the moment, for IDN, we are about an order of magnitude too low on PPC, but probably about 4 orders of magnitude short on clicks. When the latter rectifies itself a bit, then and only then will I start to exercise myself over PPC.
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

Nice article.

It is all about understanding the market.

The market FS is facing is different from what IDN domainers will be facing. Very different. FS can certainly wait for various reasons. If all IDN domainers hold their domains like FS, no selling and no developing, that just completely kills the IDN market.
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

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Nice article.

It is all about understanding the market.

The market FS is facing is different from what IDN domainers will be facing. Very different. FS can certainly wait for various reasons. If all IDN domainers hold their domains like FS, no selling and no developing, that just completely kills the IDN market.

Assuming that people want a market. I don't care if there is one or not. Why? Well, two reasons - 1) people won't sell domains for what I want to pay, and 2) I don't really want to sell my domains anymore.

True, I dump a few lesser domains now and then, but I am not listing anymore prime domains for sale. The reason is that I simply don't want to sell them anymore.

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Nice article.

It is all about understanding the market.

The market FS is facing is different from what IDN domainers will be facing. Very different. FS can certainly wait for various reasons. If all IDN domainers hold their domains like FS, no selling and no developing, that just completely kills the IDN market.
No it doesn't!

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Assuming that people want a market. I don't care if there is one or not. Why? Well, two reasons - 1) people won't sell domains for what I want to pay, and 2) I don't really want to sell my domains anymore.

True, I dump a few lesser domains now and then, but I am not listing anymore prime domains for sale. The reason is that I simply don't want to sell them anymore.

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Development of a market would have been useful, if it had solved the problem of generating cashflow without traffic. It didn't and soon the whole idea will be meaningless. So no developing a market is not a major objective. Yes, I would like to sell a handful of domains to make things a bit easier, but really I couldn't give a toss now whether there is a market or not. We have toughed things out for 3 or 4 years now. We will make it the rest of the way.
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If all IDN domainers hold their domains like FS, no selling and no developing, that just completely kills the IDN market.
Who wants a market?

I want TRAFFIC.
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

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Who wants a market?

I want TRAFFIC.

Exactly. Which is why I quit fiddling around with non-latin scripts by and large.

Although I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised about the recent upsurge in Arabic traffic.

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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

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Who wants a market?

I want TRAFFIC.

Real traffic will come, but it is going to take years. 2 years ago, i said it would take 5-7 years. So, we still got 3 to 5 years to go.
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Exactly. Which is why I quit fiddling around with non-latin scripts by and large.

Although I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised about the recent upsurge in Arabic traffic.

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But the big traffic will be on the Non-Latin, it will just take longer!
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Re: Excellent Article from FS on Domain Value

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But the big traffic will be on the Non-Latin, it will just take longer!

Yes, well I'm not dropping my chinese and japanese domains. I hope they will get some traffic eventually. Most of my good japanese domains are dot jp, though, so they are second class citizens.

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Yes, well I'm not dropping my chinese and japanese domains. I hope they will get some traffic eventually. Most of my good japanese domains are dot jp, though, so they are second class citizens.

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This is what many of us here do, buy both latin and non-latins. The latins pay for the renewals, while the non-latins are for long term gains.

btw, are you using sedopro for latins? I'm a little fedup with ND's low PPC.
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This is what many of us here do, buy both latin and non-latins. The latins pay for the renewals, while the non-latins are for long term gains.

btw, are you using sedopro for latins? I'm a little fedup with ND's low PPC.
Well it is all about browser support, so you should be looking very carefully at Russians.

http://www.dnlocal.com/browser_softw...topicseen=#new
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