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Does the standard Sedo pay the final click price immediately, or is that only with Sedo Pro?

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Re: sedo clicks

I believe it works the same for both.
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Re: sedo clicks

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I believe it works the same for both.

Thanks. I am testing sedo now, and it appears that many names do not do as well there as with ND. The issue is lack of ad inventory. I don't know if this is because 1) advertisers have gotten wise and blocked sedo.com, but forgot about little ole ND, or 2) because ND's related searches links mitigate the adwords spamming by irrelevant advertisers.

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Re: sedo clicks

You gotta give it some time Mike. It may even take up to a month to see a domain's potential with sedo.

Try sedopro for better results.
From my tests over the past year, 50% of domains did better than ND, 25% the same, and 25% worse.

But like all parking services, not every type of domain does better with one particular company. So testing is required.
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Re: sedo clicks

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You gotta give it some time Mike. It may even take up to a month to see a domain's potential with sedo.

Try sedopro for better results.
From my tests over the past year, 50% of domains did better than ND, 25% the same, and 25% worse.

But like all parking services, not every type of domain does better with one particular company. So testing is required.
They are fiddling around with my Sedo Pro application - want to verify my traffic first, etc... I won't play the game for too long, but let's see how it goes.

For some of my best domains, no matter what I do at Sedo, I am unable to pull relevant ad inventory due to keyword spammers (dating sites bidding on keywords such as "rental cottages", etc). I don't think that Sedo Pro has different ad inventory than Sedo. This keyword spamming was also an issue at ND, but like I said they pull up "related searches" (even for new domains). I was thinking about this a bit today, and I think that ND has integrated with the Google AdWords API "keyword" service in order to get these "related searches" which are so effective at pulling up relevant ad inventory and clicks. If this is really true, then it's quite ingenious IMO.

There is also the issue that Sedo doesn't have translations for "Related Links" in languages where I have some of my most lucrative domains. I can't go through hundreds of domains and translate them manually, but hopefully they would work with me on that.

In the end, I think that some of my moneymakers are going back to ND because they are earning squat at Sedo. Others which earned low at ND are earning high at Sedo. So, perhaps a combination of the two services for my parked domains...

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Re: sedo clicks

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You gotta give it some time Mike. It may even take up to a month to see a domain's potential with sedo.

Try sedopro for better results.
From my tests over the past year, 50% of domains did better than ND, 25% the same, and 25% worse.

But like all parking services, not every type of domain does better with one particular company. So testing is required.

thanks for the information. Are there languages that do better at Sedo than ND?
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Re: sedo clicks

Touch, I'm afraid it's not about languages; it's mostly single domains. It's the same with asciis.

Also, I've mostly tested European languages and Arabic. Don't have much Japanese and Chinese traffic to test with.

What I've basically done, I've taken high traffic domains that were not doing that well in ND (according to my expectations) and tried them with Sedopro. Most of these are doing better - especially Russian and Bulgarian.
I have to say though that some Bulgarians are getting way better than avg. clicks on ND as well.

With sedo/-pro though, you know if these clicks came from England or Bulgaria, or the language of the system of the user. E.g., a user from Bulgaria with an English system will give a higher cpc than someone with Bulgarian lang.
Also, at times, when sedo can't determine the language of the user, it will give a better payout than the local language click.

Sedo's reporting basically gives you a better look at your traffic/earnings capabilities of your domains.

Also, based on my ascii high click domains over the years, I am slowly moving over similar industry IDNs to test.

All these tests are, of course, of no scientific structure, so I could be totally wrong
Don't take my word on any of this.

I generally prefer sedo for idn, even though most people hate them, but I like ND's templates much better. I tried DomainSponsor with a few domains; didn't like the results, but it wasn't a thorough test.

I wish fabulous would start something with idn. But that's highly unlikely.

Getting off topic a bit:

Czech and Hungarian names have been difficult to monetize lately ( 6 months back or so ). The views are there - albeit lower - but not the clicks of past years.
Anyone else with similar findings?
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Re: sedo clicks

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Czech and Hungarian names have been difficult to monetize lately ( 6 months back or so ). The views are there - albeit lower - but not the clicks of past years.
Anyone else with similar findings?
View your pages and check for keyword spamming, as I discussed. This is usually the reason. I wish google would stop this.

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Re: sedo clicks

arabic and hindi convert better at sedo according to my experience, russian is almost the same to me.
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Re: sedo clicks

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arabic and hindi convert better at sedo according to my experience, russian is almost the same to me.
Well, after a couple of days I can tell you this: Sedo is paying higher per click in almost all categories, but I'm getting less clicks and less valuable clicks in a few areas which were very lucrative at ND due to difficulty pulling relevant ad inventory. It seems you really need to set long-tail keywords/phrases for many areas to defeat these keyword spammers, and even that doesn't help in all the cases.

Bottom line: Optimizing Sedo for results is not nearly as easy as optimizing ND for results, but Sedo pays better in the cases where you are able to pull relevant ad inventory.

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Re: sedo clicks

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Well, after a couple of days I can tell you this: Sedo is paying higher per click in almost all categories, but I'm getting less clicks and less valuable clicks in a few areas which were very lucrative at ND due to difficulty pulling relevant ad inventory. It seems you really need to set long-tail keywords/phrases for many areas to defeat these keyword spammers, and even that doesn't help in all the cases.

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What is long-tail keywords?
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Re: sedo clicks

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What is long-tail keywords?

Stuff like "cheap apartments with balconies for rent", compared to "rental apartments". This technique can sometimes bring out the ads.

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Stuff like "cheap apartments with balconies for rent", compared to "rental apartments". This technique can sometimes bring out the ads.

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thks, something new, didn't know about that. by the way, how does adult do on sedo? nd had problems with adult ads.
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Re: sedo clicks

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thks, something new, didn't know about that. by the way, how does adult do on sedo? nd had problems with adult ads.
Neither ND or Sedo serve adult ads for Germany, which really sucks - both go to the portal for adult keywords or domain names. It's country by country with adult... you can pull ads for Finnish and Turkish, but not for German or French. Not sure about other languages. I think my adults actually did better at ND, but I will continue to test them for a while at Sedo.

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Re: sedo clicks

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Neither ND or Sedo serve adult ads for Germany, which really sucks - both go to the portal for adult keywords or domain names. It's country by country with adult... you can pull ads for Finnish and Turkish, but not for German or French. Not sure about other languages. I think my adults actually did better at ND, but I will continue to test them for a while at Sedo.

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So i guess the problem lies with Google?
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Re: sedo clicks

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So i guess the problem lies with Google?
Yep. They are keeping most porn ads to themselves - can't get them on adsense, can't get them on parked sites, but you can sure as hell get them in the SERPs.

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Yep. They are keeping most porn ads to themselves - can't get them on adsense, can't get them on parked sites, but you can sure as hell get them in the SERPs.

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Absolutely nothing to do with Porn, it is simple supply and demand.

Google only put Ads out to Parking if it cannot fulfil demand from Search.

This is why high bid value keywords are frankly better than high search keywords.

High search keywords are satisfied easily from Search, but the high bid ones by definition are not.
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Re: sedo clicks

I asked ND support a few weeks ago why there are plenty of ads in google.de if you search "schwule" or "gay", but you can only get a portal page if you enter these keywords. They replied that it's the policy of the "advertising partner". Make what you will out of that. They (the "advertising partner") have blocked adult keywords, plain and simple.

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