Adult Russian Domain Sale

[blastfromthepast]

Closed.

[DavyBUK]

$20 on both

дрочун.com masturbator (adult toys etc.)
дрочка.com masturbation

[blastfrmthedust]

sold

[DavyBUK]

Money sent for these a couple of days ago....look forward to hearing from you

Ignore the spammer posting on the thread as blastfromthedust or whatever....

Thanks

David

[blastfromthepast]

1 domain pushed.

1 domain not pushed due to issues & payment refunded in full.

[DavyBUK]

Does anyone know an IDN'er called John Westgate ?

I have some reservations about this transaction

[DavyBUK]

John Westgate owned both domains before you pushed the less popular one to me today and owned them at Dynadot with the same name and address details

So either

A) John Westgate owned the domains anyway but then how could you have pushed only one of them if they were not yours ?

B) You use John Westgate as an alter ego and have sellers remorse that the more popular domain is too valuable to sell for the $20 I paid you ? So now you make up stories about "issues" to keep it

So which is it Dan Chirkov ? As I know you aren't John Westgate

[blastfromthepast]

I decided not to sell it to you. Period. That's the issue. I've said sorry, and refunded your money.

I don't understand what the big fuss is about whois data.

[DavyBUK]

I think we can all see what you are about here then Dan

Posted in IDN auctions with no reserve - Sold after the terms were met and then you back out

I think thats quite clear to all and especially to anyone who might even be considering buying anything from your recent sales threads too

Thanks for making it quite clear to everyone

[blastfromthepast]

Some deals just don't go through, people get refunded, end of story. I'm sorry you are dissapointed in this case, but its a pretty common thing.

There are many reasons why a deal won't go through, and I'm not going to go into specifics with you about this one.

[DavyBUK]

Yep i've been around a while and when long established members such as yourself post domains for auction for no reserve we have a tendency to expect those members to put their reputation first and fulfill the deals that they have offered to the community

But at least future potential buyers will be forewarned when other members point them to this thread in the future so some good may come of it in the long run..

[mulligan]

Dan/John, you should honour the deal ...

The big fuss may lead to other things .. like you have hijacked the domains, are a scammer, 9mm bring anything to mind?

http://www.dnforum.com/f417/unresolv...ad-282204.html

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

I decided not to sell it to you. Period. That's the issue. I've said sorry, and refunded your money.

I don't understand what the big fuss is about whois data.

..

...

Originally Posted by DavyBUK

John Westgate owned both domains before you pushed the less popular one to me today and owned them at Dynadot with the same name and address details

So either

A) John Westgate owned the domains anyway but then how could you have pushed only one of them if they were not yours ?

B) You use John Westgate as an alter ego and have sellers remorse that the more popular domain is too valuable to sell for the $20 I paid you ? So now you make up stories about "issues" to keep it

So which is it Dan ? As I know you aren't John Westgate

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

I decided not to sell it to you. Period. That's the issue. I've said sorry, and refunded your money.

I don't understand what the big fuss is about whois data.

....

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

1 domain pushed.

1 domain not pushed due to issues & payment refunded in full.

....

[Jay]

Blast, no disrespect to yourself, but you owe Davy at least an explanation by PM. You can't just say you've backed out because of 'complications' and leave it at that. A sale is a sale. Unless there's some unforeseable reason that you can't sell it to him now, despite your good faith to do so, then it's his to claim. Most of us have let things go in auction that, in hindsight, we felt we lost too cheaply and come to regret, but that is the way things go sometimes. Or is there something else going on here?

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

I decided not to sell it to you. Period. That's the issue. I've said sorry, and refunded your money.

This would be a bad trend to start where no reserve auctions can be cancelled by seller once a bid has been
placed and the auction underway. The only exception should be if cancellation is agreed by both buyer and seller.

[blastfromthepast]

When you buy real estate, both parties have leeway to back out until the last minute, since the agreements always include things that allow for failure of their performance.

And when you buy with a mortgage, you even have up to a certain number of hours AFTER the deal was signed to back out.

We don't have fancy contracts and protections like that here, and when someone backs out of a deal worth $20, and refunds the money, its not something that you should start worrying about.

That said, consider other established opinions on this matter:

Originally Posted by Giant

Let me try if my opinion can help. :-)

The argument here is whether the post of "SOLD" is a contract.

Genius thinks his post of "SOLD" is a contract, therefore anything he said after the post and whether Mahi liked it or not should not invalidate the contract.

If all the conditions of the sales were typed up on a piece paper and both sides put their signature on the the paper, then I would agree that this type of contract cannot be invalidated no matter what Genius have said or asked. But a post of "SOLD" cannot be considered a "contract" to buy or to sell by itself because both side still have to exchange PMs to make sure all conditions are met and agreeable to both sides. Indeed, we have seen many posts of "SOLD" did not result in sales for reasons like:

1. Seller: "Sorry, the name was sold via PM 3 minutes before your post"
2. Buyer: "I can only pay by AliPay (Chinese)". Seller: "Sorry, I accept all forms of payment except AliPay".
3. Seller: "Sorry, the OVT posted was last year's. This year's is only 10% of that"
4. Seller: "Sorry, the translation of the name was not quite correct"

After the post of "SOLD", the seller still holds the power to refuse to sell if he can quote an excuse. Example:

After posting "SOLD", Buyer: "Sorry, I can only pay when my pay check comes in next week".

a. Seller: "No problem". It's a sale.

b. Seller: "Sorry, I need the payment right away". No sale.

Conclusion: When Genius asked for $50 discount and pushing the name before payment, Mahi had reasons to be concerned and choose not to complete signing the contract.

Before it's a contract, it has to be an agreement. An agreement is a total agreement. A concern is a legitimate excuse for not being totally agreeable.

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

There is no legally binding contract as neither of you are negotiating under legally registered identities.

Originally Posted by Alphamale

take some advice.

this is all over chump change right? some $xx or something?

reputation is everything and with all this whining yours is depleting.

somethings are not worth putting your reputation in the line of fire, sometimes its better to walk or roll over.

See: http://www.idnforums.com/forums/8496...-a-deal-3.html

[Jay]

Blast, in that quote from Giant he refers to specific reasons for why the transaction could not proceed: "the seller still holds the power to refuse to sell if he can quote an excuse". Rather than 'excuse' Giant should have said 'reason', but anyway. In your case, you offered none.

It's also a matter of good faith and to set a standard for IDN trading where both buyers and sellers have trust in the process. If you read through that thread you linked to, that is the bottom line, summed up in Rubber Duck's later post - 'trust'.

If we start putting up names in auctions and don't follow through without good reason, then it is all downhill from there.

[jose]

IDNF is becoming a sad place to visit.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

Some deals just don't go through

Because you got a better offer AFTER the deal was done and dusted?

Whats up with this Dan?
Not good business practice .. all for a few extra bucks when you should know better

Domain Name: XN--80AHSPJ7B.COM
Registrar: DYNADOT, LLC
Whois Server: whois.dynadot.com
Referral URL: http://www.dynadot.com
Name Server: NS1.FASTPARK.NET
Name Server: NS2.FASTPARK.NET
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 14-mar-2008
Creation Date: 05-mar-2008
Expiration Date: 05-mar-2009

>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:36:35 UTC <<<

Domain Name: xn--80ahspj7b.com
Registered at http://www.dynadot.com

Registrant:
Kiyohara Nagiko
1-11-2 Ginza
Tokyo 104-0061
Japan

Administrative Contact:
Kiyohara Nagiko
1-11-2 Ginza
Tokyo 104-0061
Japan
8710190@verizon.net
+81 3.3535.1111

Technical Contact:
Kiyohara Nagiko
1-11-2 Ginza
Tokyo 104-0061
Japan
8710190@verizon.net
+81 3.3535.1111

Record expires on 2009/03/05 UTC
Record created on 2008/03/05 UTC

Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.fastpark.net
ns2.fastpark.net

[DavyBUK]

Curiouser and curiouser..

The name and address have changed but that email address is the one that Dan asked me to send the Paypal payment to for the Russians and the Sake.jp name recently...so maybe it's another Blast / Dan Chirkov / John Westgate situation