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Old 30th March 2006, 02:17 PM
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.TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

I don't see much value in .TV domains - IDNs or plain English. Sure, I've seen a few things on television, using .tv domains, but I don't think any more than .net names. And I don't recall seeing either advertised anytime recently.

I know Verisign purchased the rights to .tv, which does give the TLD some "perceived" stability, value and credibility, but people have been holding out hope, for years, on the growing popularity of .TV. But I still have not seen the big demand. Not at least in America - except for registrations in the speculator world. Perhaps things are a little different in other countries (?) , but I still don't recall seeing many significant .tv sales - and because you might be able to point out one or two sales, that would not make it a trend.

I very rarely get anything other than .coms. And I've never registered a .tv domain. Even when it comes to .net domains, I'd rather pass on a number of "great" .net names and use the money to purchase one excellent .com name - from a reseller, if necessary.

I recall, a couple of years ago, www.tv promoted IDNs (back then, referred to as "Multilinguals") and some of the premium domains were prices up to or over $1 Million. Now when I check out their site, they don't even seem to even promote IDNs. So, I remain skeptical that IDN.tv would have much value, and I don't really see .tv names being hot properties anytime soon.

Despite my own preferences and perceptions, I would be glad to hear from anyone who has had success with .tv, either in sales or traffic.
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

.TV are like IDNs - in hibernation mode - because, Internet and TV convergence has just barely started.

In the year 201X, one will not watch TV based scheduled programs from the TV station, one basically selects what tv program to watch and have them streamed over at 100Mbps over fibre networks. The tv program can be from one of the 500 TV stations around the world that streams programs over the Internet.

The question now is not whether it will happen, but how soon it will happen.

The stakes are much higher on TV than on the Internet with spendings many times more. To illustrate, just one top 30-second TV advertisement slot can cost a few hundred thousand dollars.

When the convergence does happen, i won't be surprised that SEX.TV will go for 100 million dollars. SEX.TV will not be just a portal to "earn money from type-in and PPC", it will be a full fledged adult TV channel.


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Gates: Broadcast model faces irrelevancy

By Chris Marlowe

Bill Gates, head of the world's largest software company, predicts a future for the entertainment industry in which traditional broadcast television is rendered irrelevant. It's a positive vision, however, because new and better business models made possible by technology are emerging.

In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Gates, Microsoft's chairman and chief software architect, recalled a conversation in 1991 during which Larry Tisch was having buyer's remorse over his investment in CBS, noting that the impending changes were evident even then.

"Broadcast TV is under a challenge. That's news to no one," Gates said. "You know, ABC was more valuable for its (ESPN) sports franchise than its broadcast franchise even years ago. That was recognized. The networks have a still super-interesting position, but it won't be like it is today."

The fundamental difference, he said, will be the demise of today's concepts regarding channels and schedules. "The idea of just having that one linear thing -- you don't change your channel, so the local news leads to the whole lineup getting this great popularity -- that's on its way out," Gates said. "But slowly."

This change is being caused today by DVRs and by the breadth of available cable and satellite channels, he said. In the near future, however, the advent of Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 and other technologies will offer more options and flexibility to creators and audiences alike.

"The ideal for many content people would be that they just put their content on the Internet and then they have a direct relationship with the viewer," Gates said. "That model for low-volume content is the future."

This means, Gates said, that Microsoft is working more closely than ever with studios and distributors, taking such steps as creating a Media/Entertainment and Technology Convergence Group and bringing in entertainment veteran Blair Westlake to head it (HR 6/20). Gates added that he and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer have been talking to heads of studios, while Westlake and Hank Vigil, corporate vp consumer strategy and partnerships, have been reaching out to their counterparts as well.

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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

Good answer. I also think so. But register a .tv domain that matches the extension.

anyway does anyone have an idea how many .tv domains are owned by japanese? i mean a percentage? I know mostly porn websites using .tv but in fact there are several hundred -perhaps thousands?- .tv in japanese in different categories as i was checking the other day on yahoo japan. i guess they took the .tv as a last option after .com and .net were taken as people suggested. Anyway Im not saying .tv are famous, true many people dont even know the extension but what is true is that there are hundreds or thousands of .tv developed in japanese, not just parked. By the way, congrats again to Blastfromthepast who just developed another porn .tv http://女.tv
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

It's all a matter of development folks.
If we all sit around waiting to sell these domains & don't develop then then yes they are all worthless.
Potentially the easy to remember names would have the best chance to capture attention.
All the extensions actually have a chance. If no popular .tvs get developed then people won't even realize it's an option.

There was only 2 I would have wanted personally. I think just registering "any" + "TV" doesn't cut it. It has to be logical a bit.
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

Well, i think there are still quite a lot of idn.tv domains that go well with .tv and still available - we've not progressed to the stage when people register stuff like LCD.TV and ContactLense.TV.

It has been almost 2 mths since i started idn.tv awareness with this virgin .tv thread - http://www.idnforums.com/forums/661-...A5%E6%9C%AC.TV, and takeup rate has been surprisingly quick - just search .tv in idnf and idnclub.


Internet phase 1 is where we are at right now.

Internet phase 2 will start once 100Mbps becomes a reality and TV and Internet convergence starts. We're now in year 1993 of phase 2. Netscape hasn't been invented yet. Phase 2 take off might take a longer time than phase 1, since entire country networks must be upgraded.



http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/...yond-broadband

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Asia moves beyond broadband
100Mbps connections becoming the norm in some areas

Simon Burns, vnunet.com 23 Mar 2006

Local News.

Singapore news:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060330/nyth071.html?.v=48

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StarHub and Motorola Begin Upgrade of Broadband Network to Next-Generation Channel-Bonding
Thursday March 30, 6:11 am ET
MaxOnline Customers Can Expect to Experience Faster Broadband Speeds of Up to 100Mbps by 2H 2006
Plans Underway to Further Upgrade Broadband Speeds Up to 1Gbps, in the Next Two to Three Years

Australian News:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...55E643,00.html

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$500m bill for Telstra's plan B
Michael Sainsbury
March 21, 2006
TELSTRA has finalised a plan to spend up to $500 million on a major overhaul of its pay-TV fibre network if talks with the competition regulator about its mooted residential fibre-to-the-node network (FTTN) fail.

Telstra's plans would add voice services to the cable and use new technology to provide broadband speeds up to 100Mbps, 10 times faster than those initially proposed for the FTTN network.

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http://english.etnews.co.kr/news/det...007&art_grad=9

Quote:
Competition Intensifies in Broadband Internet Market

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 By Sohn Jae-kwon

Ahead of cable system operators’ (SOs) launch of backbone carrier service in July this year, competition continues heating up in the saturated broadband Internet market.

Taekwang SO affiliates are also aggressively breaking into the 100Mbps-speed optical LAN and PC room area despite growing controversy over legitimacy of such service. CNM and HCN target Gangdong-Songpa districts and Seocho district, respectively. T-Broad sets a keen eye on Suwon and South Gyeonggi Province.

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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

Microsoft, so far as I know, is the only serious company with a working IPTV solution which is being tested via wireline carriers across the developed world. As you know wireline carriers revenue and margin are eroding quickly with an onslaught from wireless, voip, and cable. In the US, the government support of cable companies has created tangible resentment against cable's monopolistic practices. Consumers I believe are itching to toss their cable company on the curb and go for a lower priced, optimized alternative. We will see significant movement in this direction in the US within the next 2 years.
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

The Internet didn't have Microsoft - it only had an unknown company call "Netscape" and using early internet was a painful experience - connection drops every 10-20 minutes, killing off any files that are being downloaded, and dialup takes a few minutes whenever there's heavy usage - for those who still remembered those days. Download speed is so slow, i always had IRC on so that i can chat while the site loads. After a while, i spent most of my time on IRC and got addicted for sometime.

Whatever happens to iptv in America, it is taking off in China, Japan, and the rest of Asia. If iptv takes off in Asia and Europe, and dies off in America, there's nothing we can do about it, life still goes on.


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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

From a speculators point of view, I am sure all those who have bought IDN.TV are not expecting immediate returns, probably 5-10 years from now.

TV is such a common acronym, for example lets take India, Everyone of the one billion people know what TV is (they wouldn't be aware of .tv ) and not more than 10% would no what a computer is.

Now, unlike the .com where any good english word is worth a lot, the names in .tv extension have to be related to it.

All that we people are trying to do is discounting the future and buying it now, I see less failures for the .TV extension.

You might argue that .TV has been for awhile and hasn't seen any major boost, but did we have the bandwidth then. The answer is NO. But, today definetly we can see the way the bandwidth has been growing, and 100 MBps is pretty much achievable.

One of the members (Great work) in the .TV forum in Namepros gives a weekly update of all the premium registrations done in a week (with some assumptions) shows a lot of premium domain names being registered on an average per week ~60,000$ excluding the normal registrations.

The last 6 months have seen a sudden rise in the .TV registrations, almost twice the number of reg.

Everyone who owns a .TV domain name tries to develope it unlike any other domain extension, coz the .TV sites cost a lot and you need more developed sites, hoping that they will be sold at a higher rate.

Last but not least, in the last few months I have seen so many developed .TV sites and advertisements on different TV ads, and different websites.
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

>I know Verisign purchased the rights to .tv, which does give the TLD some "perceived"
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Cough, hack. They manage it, but I think if a ccTLD ever SOLD it's extension outright to someone not in full control of the govt of that country, there would be an earthquake in Marina Del Rey.
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

Tuvalu - http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/tv.html

Population:
11,636 (July 2005 est.)

GDP (purchasing power parity):
$12.2 million (2000 est.)

GDP - per capita:
purchasing power parity - $1,100 (2000 est.)


That extension can support the entire country's economy. Maybe Verisign's CEO gets paid more than what the entire Tuvalu earns a year.

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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

I would not put any money in IDN.tv domains, and I believe .TV will be managed by someone else in the next 5 years.
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

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By the way, congrats again to Blastfromthepast who just developed another porn .tv http://女.tv
Thank you. I see 女.tv moving in the more amature direction, with 美人.tv moving toward a more refined model look. Both of those by the way, get a some typins from Japan already.

美.tv is good for fashion. I haven't found the content providers for that market as of yet though.

The idea that the payoff for .tv is years ahead is wrong. Streaming video is a multi billion dollar market in Japan alone.

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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

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I would not put any money in IDN.tv domains, and I believe .TV will be managed by someone else in the next 5 years.

America now manages .com, maybe 5 years later, .com will be managed by another body.

It doesn't matter who manages .com or .tv, the paths are already laid and people treat .com as an international tld and .tv as a tld for television and media companies.

We can try and do a survey on the street asking people what .tv is - my guess is that only 0.5 percent of people know that is Tuvalu's ctld.
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

And will the ccTLD still be appropriate when Tuvalu sinks beneath the waves due to global warming?

I guess since .su is still active, they might grandfather it, with the ex-Tuvaluans administering it from wherever they decide to hang their hats.
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And will the ccTLD still be appropriate when Tuvalu sinks beneath the waves due to global warming?

I guess since .su is still active, they might grandfather it, with the ex-Tuvaluans administering it from wherever they decide to hang their hats.
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And will the ccTLD still be appropriate when Tuvalu sinks beneath the waves due to global warming?

I guess since .su is still active, they might grandfather it, with the ex-Tuvaluans administering it from wherever they decide to hang their hats.

Well, Verisign can always place an oil rig over where Tuvalu was, and put up the Tuvalu flag.

There's always sceptism on new stuff, with your experience in domains, you could have gotten yourself a few million dollars worth of IDN had you embraced it earlier. The greatest enemy in business is often oneself and not "competitors". There are still lots opportunities in IDNs if one takes time to search. Hmm, I seem to be contradicting myself - i should be concentrating on my new project.

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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

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And will the ccTLD still be appropriate when Tuvalu sinks beneath the waves due to global warming?

I guess since .su is still active, they might grandfather it, with the ex-Tuvaluans administering it from wherever they decide to hang their hats.
Concern about Dot Com?

A king is still a king, no matter who serves him.

If you plan to sell China.tuvalu (idn.idn --> 中国.图瓦卢) to the Chinese, always be prepared to exit the country in emergency in case they think you are insulting them by putting China under Tuvalu! Of course this is not a real concern because nobody in China would know where Tuvalu is even before it sinks to the water :-)
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Concern about Dot Com?

A king is still a king, no matter who serves him.

If you plan to sell China.tuvalu (idn.idn --> 中国.图瓦卢) to the Chinese, always be prepared to exit the country in emergency if they think you are insulting them by putting China under Tuvalu! Of course this is not a real concern because nobody in China would know where Tuvalu is even before it sinks to the water :-)

You pointed out the crux - nobody knows where Tuvalu is, i dunno there's a Tuvalu until i learnt about the domain trade last year - before that, i thought that .tv is another tld from Verisign - .tv is used by all tv broadcasting entities in singapore.

The fact that Tuvalu is irrelevant is helping .tv.

As for .com versus .tv, there's no basis for comparison since they are for different kinds of media. .com is for static internet and .tv is for video and broadcasts on iptvs.

Whether sex.tv or sex.com is more valuable 10 years down the road is still a question.

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The fact that Tuvalu is irrelevant is helping .tv.
Right, if Tuvalu sinks, the help is even greater!
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Re: .TV - IDNs (or otherwise) - I don't think so!

Sometimes our sensitivity dies...like hoping that Tuvalu should sink for the prosperity of our domains..Its a country which has some traditions, culture and people who love it.
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