Is there less info because the market's tighter

[Olney]

I'm wondering that everyday the site's pageviews & visitors increases
but I'm noticing many are not really writing new info, techniques etc.
I'm wondering are people starting to stay tightlipped now?
I'm not advising people here to help out but I didn't expect the lull over at dnForum either. DCG has a pretty good rep in the domaining industry so I was a bit looking forward to seeing if he would come up with some fresh new techniques that's not here others haven't already been using.

[yanni]

Everyone's too busy registering
I know I have been. I just passed the 500 domain mark.

Plus, maybe, with the .eu landrush coming up people are busy sorting out their lists, etc.

[Edwin]

There's not much new to say to be frank. If enough people just follow the stuff that's on here already, the market will be pretty much drained within months. And the scripters know exactly what they're doing, so when they arrive they'll get the rest.

Beyond that, it's just waiting...

[Olney]

I know I keep hearing about the scripters but
In the market I'm concerned with is there that much left for them to take?
Structually there's a lot of differences between Japanese & English.
I'm realizing more & more there's still plenty of good terms searched that basically aren't translatable.
I know I've pointed out to you Edwin a few of the differences in language structures. I don't think it's so easy to script find these terms. If you don't speak with natives you can't realize these kinds of terms even exist...

[Edwin]

I think you vastly underestimate how the scripters work. They don't mess around with small word lists, they will suck in the info from hundreds or thousands of sources at least - and native speakers will likely be using the variants on blogs and in other "casual" places... Also, most mega-players will have plenty of resources to get native speakers on board at the drop of a hat if they see the merits in doing so. We're talking about entities with multi-million dollar cash flows or more.

Of course, they can't take what's already gone, so they'll have missed out on a ton of goodies! But like water spreading to find all possible nooks and cracks, once they get going there will be nothing left for the "manual" folks, even in the darkest corners.

Doesn't take away from what we've already accumulated, so our "latent value" is safe. But it's worth bearing in mind that if the scripters come in before the locals do, end users in Japan (for example) aren't ever going to be able to find a decent IDN and that may hold back growth.

Got nothing personally against the smart folks who use technology, though - that's just the name of the domain game as it's played in 2006! But one shouldn't ignore the reality of the situation: the scripters aren't here YET, but the barriers to entry are much lower for them than you suspect, and when they do arrive that's basically the end.

[sunsei21]

hey guys whats a scripter and why do they sound like the plague imagine its getting harder to find names these day for especially if you dont speak the language i know for me it is since i have reached my budget for the month and i'm comming up with more and more .net

[idnowner]

Originally Posted by sunsei21

hey guys whats a scripter and why do they sound like the plague imagine its getting harder to find names these day for especially if you dont speak the language i know for me it is since i have reached my budget for the month and i'm comming up with more and more .net

Scripters run automated software (sometimes called scripts, as in Perl scripts), to catch domains the moment they drop. BTW: スクリプター.com is not registered, if anyone wishes to go for it.

[Edwin]

They're not a "plague" but smart folks who use programs to analyse dictionary files, word lists, directories, spidered websites and blog posts etc. etc. to pull out keywords and keyphrases, then check them against OT, Google etc. automatically before finally deriving a list of "good" domains to register. Not to be mixed up with the other folks (quite often the same people, mind you) who use scripts at drop time to catch names faster than a human ever could...

If you think of the search for domains as mining, we're down the mines with a pickaxe and shovel trying to visually locate the best seams. The scripters dig up ALL the surrouding soil with huge machines, then sift the good stuff out...

There's nothing sinister about their approach, though it can frustrate those with fewer resources or technical competence simply because once the scripters have let loose on a particular market, there's going to be practically nothing left over for the "little guy".

[sunsei21]

thanx edwin and idnowner i ifigured it was somthing like that there was no insult intended with my plague comment sounds more like locusts again no insult intended in every industry someone has a edge

[touchring]

Those .com scripters will take some time to understand the idn market before coming in. I think it will still take a few more months, maybe 2-3 more months, and it takes time to adapt existing scripts to work on idns.

In the meantime, big domain players will be preoccupied with .EU to be bothered about IDNs. So we still have a bit more time to do our picking.

[rhys]

Originally Posted by touchring

Those .com scripters will take some time to understand the idn market before coming in. I think it will still take a few more months, maybe 2-3 more months, and it takes time to adapt existing scripts to work on idns.

In the meantime, big domain players will be preoccupied with .EU to be bothered about IDNs. So we still have a bit more time to do our picking.

I don't think the scripters can really do their work effectively without traffic to judge so in fact, we have quite a lot of time. Uh...don't we?

[touchring]

Originally Posted by rhys

I don't think the scripters can really do their work effectively without traffic to judge so in fact, we have quite a lot of time. Uh...don't we?

There are always ways to guage future traffic.

Of cos, their priority now is on .eu, as Dabsi already hinted.

I think the registrars will also be too busy with .eu to bother about idn drops. Catch a sex.eu, you got a million dollars right away and anytime.

Those of you with an address in Europe (whether real or virtual), you should be concentrating on .eu right now. I would, if i were you. I was busy buying .us off the market for 2 months before food.us raised prices, and i started to look elsewhere and found idns.

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by Olney

I'm wondering that everyday the site's pageviews & visitors increases
but I'm noticing many are not really writing new info, techniques etc.
I'm wondering are people starting to stay tightlipped now?

Sometimes, if you let on that you got this or that, people ASAP grab the other related names, and you end up wishiing you just read the forum and didn't post.

[Olney]

I've learned after the Japan city, state thing to state anything before I buy up everything I really want.
Ya noticed I never write anything till I bought everything...

[touchring]

Well, i kicked off the rush for 2 types of idns by registering a few and putting them for appraisals and never looked back.

idn.tvs and taiwanese-cities.com.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Olney

I know I keep hearing about the scripters but
In the market I'm concerned with is there that much left for them to take?
Structually there's a lot of differences between Japanese & English.
I'm realizing more & more there's still plenty of good terms searched that basically aren't translatable.
I know I've pointed out to you Edwin a few of the differences in language structures. I don't think it's so easy to script find these terms. If you don't speak with natives you can't realize these kinds of terms even exist...

Olney you're a purist. Many including myself do not always wait to get a clear translation before registering. It should be possible to spider sites for terms in the same way Google does and just register stuff with hot stats, without actually having a clue what any of it means. So what if 50% is rubbish, they will just keep it for a year or two much as I have before clearing into the trash. When the traffic is sufficient to make PPC optimisation important they will only then really start to try to figure out what it really means, and only if it is getting traffic.

Originally Posted by sunsei21

thanx edwin and idnowner i ifigured it was somthing like that there was no insult intended with my plague comment sounds more like locusts again no insult intended in every industry someone has a edge

No the open cast mining analogy is the accurate one. Or perhaps fishing using a large vacuum pump! The chance are they are not here yet because the scripts are not ready, but it does mean that they are not working on it. Even in English they won't be messing around with nicities like trying to work out the linguistic significance! Traffic may not even be necessary. Spidering and analysis of web pages will probably give them all the information they need.

[kenne]

Originally Posted by rhys

I don't think the scripters can really do their work effectively without traffic to judge so in fact, we have quite a lot of time. Uh...don't we?

I tend to agree with Rhys. Using David's analogy, vaccuuming the pond before the ecosystem is fully grown and can sustain a good market is a stupid thing to do.
If they are rational professionals, they'd wait.

As to the drop in activities, I for one am no longer regging. and the delay in Vista rollout may have dampened some buying zeal too.
So I'm settling down and wait.

[blastfromthepast]

A company like yandex has complex Russian grammar pattern analysis that could easily scoop up the correct-est and most searched for word and bulk register.

In fact, it would be trivial to write a perl script like that myself. I have a dictionary of root forms and a perl script that generates all possible word-forms. We exclude the useless forms. Then check minimum wordstats. Instant word list.

It is even simpler for Chinese, because there are no grammaratical endings!

Grab all the 1 characters and 2 character combos. I'm actually surprised nobody early on in the game just didn't bulk register all the unicode Han characters.

[yanni]

Let's face it, "scripters" work for money
There's no money in idn right now. Weather it be resale or traffic.
Hence no scripters in the horizon yet.

Also, the majority of the big names in ascii com either don't know about idn or, if they do, they think they're worthless/they'll never fly.

Watch if one or two of these guys even hint anything positive re: idns. There will be a landrush.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by kenne

I tend to agree with Rhys. Using David's analogy, vaccuuming the pond before the ecosystem is fully grown and can sustain a good market is a stupid thing to do.
If they are rational professionals, they'd wait.

As to the drop in activities, I for one am no longer regging. and the delay in Vista rollout may have dampened some buying zeal too.
So I'm settling down and wait.

While i do not agree to vacuuming, i also believe that there are still a lot of good domains out there.

Do not forget SEO - this is a very powerful tool - link a group of domains together with content and backlink to some PR5 and PR6 sites, and you'll be surprised how much traffic a high ranking Google and Yahoo position can bring.

I'm doing an experiment with my Arabic names and once they all got indexed, i'll present a small report on traffic and earnings. Anyway, i'm no SEO expert, i believe Olney, Jeff and Edwin would have much better plans.