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Old 15th October 2008, 07:29 PM
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IDN dumped for the lack of email support

I was just searching Japanese blogs with IDN related keywords and found one interesting entry.

In that entry, a blog owner said she recently opened a new web shop. She planeed this for 2 years so it was an important project for her.

When she was looking for a domain name for the shop, she first thought IDN'd a good idea and registered IDN.jp... But she later found out that her IDN in email address looks funny (xn--....), in fact almost as funny as spams, she said. So, she dumped the idea of using IDN altogether and regged an ascii name instead.

Her web shop is now open and running under an ascii domain name. Her IDN doesn't resolve, so it's not even used for transferring purposes.

I wonder why email address and domain used for URL have to be same, but she apparently thinks they have to.

Interesting.
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

i see what she means and i think that she should at least use it as a redirect if and or when international email is worked out if she doesnt want to use it as her main site she could still market it.
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

This has been a big issue with a lot of people... especially when I was trying to pitch some of my IDNs to some companies. They didn't even care.

Hoping that'll change in 1-2 years!
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

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This has been a big issue with a lot of people... especially when I was trying to pitch some of my IDNs to some companies. They didn't even care.

Hoping that'll change in 1-2 years!
No doubt that an email proggy that handles IDN smoothly will be a killer app. Fingers crossed that it's in the pipeline already.
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Still waiting for it.
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Still waiting for it.
this will set back the adoption for idn by another 10 years. so many companies are still using exchange 2003.
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

I have explained this problem in great detail in many posts on this forum, but judging by the current level of understanding in the posts among senior members in this thread, it seems that I have just been pissing in the wind. That makes me a little bit sad, really.
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I have explained this problem in great detail in many posts on this forum, but judging by the current level of understanding in the posts among senior members in this thread, it seems that I have just been pissing in the wind. That makes me a little bit sad, really.
Why? Still hoping to pick up a few good names on the cheap?
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The idea of assigning citizens of Russia e-mail addresses in the domain. RF for gos.uslug can greatly complicate the lives of these citizens - email clients and web mail services do not understand Russian logins.
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Some mail clients (especially older versions) do not understand even the domain. Russia, not to mention the Russian login.
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Earlier Shchegolev even rasskazaval, what an unusual e-mail he has in mind - post in the RF domain. On the other mails, it will be different so that the set of addresses will need to switch keyboard layout - because Russia the Cyrillic domain and user names in e-mail can not be done in Cyrillic. Thus, Russia's pioneers and retirees teach writing in two languages at once.
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

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Why? Still hoping to pick up a few good names on the cheap?
Dave, you might discover that some people actually are without malice if you can bring yourself to take off your thick spectacles of cynicism. Of course I am competitive, but it doesn't mean that I try to seduce people down the wrong road for my own gain. That's a question of morals, and it goes against mine. No, I'm just sad because I take time and make an effort to help people understand something down to it's practical core, and perhaps the message is ignored due to wishful thinking or some other irrationality. That's all. Of course I keep competitive secrets, but I also don't spew out competitive propaganda.
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

Yes, of course their are problems but there is also a lot of political will to do something. Not only is Russia intent on implementing IDNs but it is also intent on ripping out its dependence on Microsoft. It also does not suffer from to the same degree as the US on legacy equipment. Of course if you cannot achieve perfect in one go, why not just give up and make everyone learn another language! It is absolutely unnecessary for everyone to adopt Cyrillic strings before the @. They could use numeric strings or acronyms like the Chinese or simply "Info" and "Sales" like just about 90% of western companies do anyway! But I am sure they will not be satisfied to stop there.
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but it doesn't mean that I try to seduce people down the wrong road for my own gain..
I did a lot. But not people in general, just freshmen college girls looking to become "liberated". But those days are over.
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I did a lot. But not people in general, just freshmen college girls looking to become "liberated". But those days are over.

Haha, but that is never just for your own gain because pleasure is a two-way street. This is simply called leadership ;-)
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I did a lot. But not people in general, just freshmen college girls looking to become "liberated". But those days are over.
"men" being the operative word so I've heard on the grapevine ....:p
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"men" being the operative word so I've heard on the grapevine ....:p
You have no idea how relieved I was when I found out he was a boy.
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I am sure they will not be satisfied to stop there.
Russia's telecommunications minister Mr. Shchegolev dated Nov. 2009 is clearly explaining they plan to use .rf email like any other email and will communicate with citizens on "idn email".

D. Medvedev: With which address? Which mail will it be?
Д.МЕДВЕДЕВ: С каким адресом? Что это будет за почта?

I. Shchegolev: This will be mail in zone .rf, where residents will be able to get an email box at they're wish and use it to send the govt organizations questions...
И.ЩЁГОЛЕВ: Это будет почта в зоне «.рф», где гражданин по желанию сможет получить свой персональный электронный адрес и с него посылать запросы в госорганы для предоставления первичной информации, где не содержится серьёзного обмена персональными данными и финансовых требований. Это будет для нас достаточным идентификатором для общения с гражданином, с тем чтобы большинство наших граждан смогли первичными услугами воспользоваться, не обращаясь к специальной процедуре получения электронной подписи.

http://www.kremlin.ru/news/5934
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

Once ICANN is out of the equation, it will not be so very hard. :D

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Russia's telecommunications minister Mr. Shchegolev dated Nov. 2009 is clearly explaining they plan to use .rf email like any other email and will communicate with citizens on "idn email".

D. Medvedev: With which address? Which mail will it be?
Д.МЕДВЕДЕВ: С каким адресом? Что это будет за почта?

I. Shchegolev: This will be mail in zone .rf, where residents will be able to get an email box at they're wish and use it to send the govt organizations questions...
И.ЩЁГОЛЕВ: Это будет почта в зоне «.рф», где гражданин по желанию сможет получить свой персональный электронный адрес и с него посылать запросы в госорганы для предоставления первичной информации, где не содержится серьёзного обмена персональными данными и финансовых требований. Это будет для нас достаточным идентификатором для общения с гражданином, с тем чтобы большинство наших граждан смогли первичными услугами воспользоваться, не обращаясь к специальной процедуре получения электронной подписи.

http://www.kremlin.ru/news/5934
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Re: IDN dumped for the lack of email support

This video has the email part discussed and more: http://news.mail.ru/video/3297079/
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Yes, but nothing bar nothing will stop the detractors putting up fatuous arguments against IDN.
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