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Old 28th October 2008, 08:11 AM
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The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

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Do not buy any Indian IDN's

China has Chinese Operating systems.
Does India has Hindi Operating systems, Gujarati Operating systems?

I firmly believe there will be no value at all. Just see the mentality of Indian companies over here. They will register a long long long domain .org even if you offer them to sell your short and to the point .com for just 20 USD. They will still go for the $8 USD option.

Most of the companies/businesses here do not even have a computer tech department.

.in and .co.in are struggling it might take some years before they are established very well.

1 simple thing is an Indian who knows English earns enough to have a PC and Internet. Those who do not know English also earns but then they are in quite different business and as far as I am seeing they will not be using any PC's at all. To even read the instructions on the PC like "Click here" they need to know basic English and if they know Basic English then they can type in .coms

If you are considering people who really don't know English to surf the web. Then it is the most unrealistic dream you are looking at. The person who doesn't knows English doesn't even knows what is a computer. So forget him.

If you are predicting there will be a PC in every home by the end of 2015 then also you are dreaming as there aren't even TV's in every home right now. So they will first buy their TV and then they might think about a PC.

As far as new generation is concerned. As I mentioned before they are ready for English. Those who attend schools are taught Computers in English. Those who don't attend schools, don't count them as your target audience as they will not be visiting the internet.

Okay I am an Indian and I am online from last 5 years everyday for atleast 14 hours per day. Did I myself ever typed a IDN? - NO

I might have visited more then 100,000 different websites but I still haven't visited one IDN till today. I am a domainer too and I have the knowledge of IDN and all this firefox support yet I am not using IDN's. So expecting a kid or two who don't know English to go to cyber cafe or get their Own PC and fireup their firefox and visit your IDN's is atleast 100 years from now.

If you wanna invest then invest in it but don't just buy in loads of IDN's because you can ask to big domainers what renewal fees means. Renewal fees can break a back financially when the domains are not earning.

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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

Well he is a Moderator at Namepros. Need I say more?

Namepros have mangage to build a higher concentration of complete fuckheads than just about anywhere else on the Internet.
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

I read that post on NP last night, and honestly thought it was a very interesting discussion. Unless one actually resides in a country and can see first hand what life is like, I think that they would be in a better position than an outsider with regards to how IDNs would work there.

Of course, you never can know all of the facts about specific countries and ways of life, and with India, the numbers are so huge, but it was interesting to get a much more detailed explanation as to why this person believes IDNs in India won't take off right away.
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I read that post on NP last night, and honestly thought it was a very interesting discussion. Unless one actually resides in a country and can see first hand what life is like, I think that they would be in a better position than an outsider with regards to how IDNs would work there.

Of course, you never can know all of the facts about specific countries and ways of life, and with India, the numbers are so huge, but it was interesting to get a much more detailed explanation as to why this person believes IDNs in India won't take off right away.
I agree,the consensus from a number of India based domainers is that Indian idn are future /future. Why should their opinions not be significant and at least be heeded.

Obviously those that hold a bucketload of Hindi /Tamil etc idn will likely have differing opinions.
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

I love the illiteracy figures.

Anything to do with trying to teach people to read and write in a language they cannot even speak?
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

By the way, there is absolutely nothing new about any of these arguments.

I have heard exactly the same arguments over and over again, from Russian speakers in regards to Russian, Chinese in regard to Chinese, Japanese in regard to Japanese and Arabic in regard to Arabic.

It is always the same. A few well educated priviledged people with what they consider good English dot com portfolios attempting to defend their own interests. The whole point though, it is all totally futile. People will use the net in whatever language they feel most comfortable in regardless. American domainers will invest in whatever they feel comfortable with regardless of what actually makes any commercial sense. And those that have battled hard to enter what seems to be the establishment will battle to protect their standing, even if they are up to their knees in shit.
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

He talks about home computers...which people will get after they get first get their TV sets. But that's just 1% of the puzzle.

1- Computers and TV's is where he's got it all wrong....for India its going to be all about the phones that connect to the internet and will be not only dirt cheap, but commonplace and even more affordable in the next 5 years. The majority of users will be people that don't speak English and the internet will be mainly in Indian languages from those devices.

2- Companies and businesses will certainly want to own keywords in the various languages of their customers if they learned anything about the .com and .in uptake and current prices for domains. IDN should be even more attractive since close to 100% of people seeing their ad, billboard etc. will know what it means.
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

this guy isn´t saying nothing we haven´t heard before from other native speakers,
we all know that indian languages is a long run project.
bottom line, those who believe in indian idn's will hold on to them and continue supporting the renewal costs, those who don´t, fell free to pass them by, time will tell
who make the right choice.
we are all gambling here, this may be a longer shot than some of the other languages but the possible returns are huge, native opinions are welcome but thinking with our own minds and acting according will always be the best option as far as i'm concerned.
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this guy isn´t saying nothing we haven´t heard before from other native speakers,
we all know that indian languages is a long run project.
bottom line, those who believe in indian idn's will hold on to them and continue supporting the renewal costs, those who don´t, fell free to pass them by, time will tell
who make the right choice.
we are all gambling here, this may be a longer shot than some of the other languages but the possible returns are huge, native opinions are welcome but thinking with our own minds and acting according will always be the best option as far as i'm concerned.
It should be noted that Native Opinion is not unanimous here.

Do the opinions of this lot account for anything at all?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/M...ow/3564292.cms
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this guy isn´t saying nothing we haven´t heard before from other native speakers, we all know that indian languages is a long run project. bottom line, those who believe in indian idn's will hold on to them and continue supporting the renewal costs, those who don´t, fell free to pass them by, time will tell who make the right choice. we are all gambling here, this may be a longer shot than some of the other languages but the possible returns are huge, native opinions are welcome but thinking with our own minds and acting according will always be the best option as far as i'm concerned.
Anyone that is active with Hindi domains knows they are thousands registered by Indian domainers. ICANN is going to unleash a massive amount of publicity for idn.idn in India sometime over the next 2 years...my guess is that is going to be quite a revolution in India as well.

Values of top Hindi domains are already at x,xxx and even xx,xxx. They ain't making anymore waterfront land and Hindi domains ain't ever gettin' any cheaper.
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this guy isn´t saying nothing we haven´t heard before from other native speakers,
we all know that indian languages is a long run project.
bottom line, those who believe in indian idn's will hold on to them and continue supporting the renewal costs, those who don´t, fell free to pass them by, time will tell
who make the right choice.
we are all gambling here, this may be a longer shot than some of the other languages but the possible returns are huge, native opinions are welcome but thinking with our own minds and acting according will always be the best option as far as i'm concerned.

If you ask me, the thing about idn depends a lot on nationalism, more than anything else. Literacy, computer usage, all can improve over time.

Ask the korean to speak English instead of Korean in his country, he will whack your head. lol
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Anyone that is active with Hindi domains knows they are thousands registered by Indian domainers. ICANN is going to unleash a massive amount of publicity for idn.idn in India sometime over the next 2 years...my guess is that is going to be quite a revolution in India as well.

Values of top Hindi domains are already at x,xxx and even xx,xxx. They ain't making anymore waterfront land and Hindi domains ain't ever gettin' any cheaper.
Well at the very top end, I only saw one domain auctioned. That seemed to fail to meet reserve at $2 Million dollars.

Like a domain markets it takes a while for reality to bite and markets to crystalise. For Hindi, it may take a little longer, but don't underestimate the importance of these markets or the wealth of many Indians.

Values are often largely distorted by the strength of the dollar. Impending currency realignments are likely to produce a more level play field. It just simply isn't true that the average American is about 15 times better off than the average Chinese or 50 times better off than average Indian.
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

And perhaps you should take a look at this:

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...0News/1971546/
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Like a domain markets it takes a while for reality to bite and markets to crystalise. For Hindi, it may take a little longer, but don't underestimate the importance of these markets or the wealth of many Indians.

Values are often largely distorted by the strength of the dollar. Impending currency realignments are likely to produce a more level play field. It just simply isn't true that the average American is about 15 times better off than the average Chinese or 50 times better off than average Indian.
I suggested to the Indian domainers over at Namepros that they should use their language skills to reg some Hindi IDNs and bring them over here for a quick flip for 2x,3x, 4x, 5x times their reg fee. Better than the "$10 any name" market that basically goes on over there with people dumping their worthless ascii names. They might be surprised at how many good Hindi IDN domains are long gone.
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I suggested to the Indian domainers over at Namepros that they should use their language skills to reg some Hindi IDNs and bring them over here for a quick flip for 2x,3x, 4x, 5x times their reg fee. Better than the "$10 any name" market that basically goes on over there with people dumping their worthless ascii names. They might be surprised at how many good Hindi IDN domains are long gone.
But they can't. Indians only speak English, Stupid!
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

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It should be noted that Native Opinion is not unanimous here.

Do the opinions of this lot account for anything at all?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/M...ow/3564292.cms
yes, there are different native opinions about this, and with very valid points
on both sides, however the facts that non believers usually report can change very fast assuming the industry makes that effort, some have already done so, namely google, hardware is also becoming increasing inexpensive and india is a huge market for the manufacturers, i think it won't be long before someone makes affordable hardware for low income indians may that be mobile phones or cheap laptops and i'm betting that they won't use english
when they all go online.
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

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Anyone that is active with Hindi domains knows they are thousands registered by Indian domainers. ICANN is going to unleash a massive amount of publicity for idn.idn in India sometime over the next 2 years...my guess is that is going to be quite a revolution in India as well.

Values of top Hindi domains are already at x,xxx and even xx,xxx. They ain't making anymore waterfront land and Hindi domains ain't ever gettin' any cheaper.
yes, quite a few taken by natives and growing, a good sign no doubt.
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yes, quite a few taken by natives and growing, a good sign no doubt.
And you yourself are certainly enjoying the fruits as well.
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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

The Indian domainers at Namepros are just getting grumpier at the notion that anyone will ever want to use Hindi idns!

NP Moderator Nick from India:
"All dreams all of them beating their own drums because they have already invested into Indian IDN's. They do not want to except that it is a dead investment. Waiting 5 years will make .coms more popular in India. Maybe co.ins and .ins but How can you expect an Indian to type in the IDN. This is the most foolish Idea I have ever heard in my life. Sorry to shatter your dreams but you people need to wake up from this Indian IDN dreams".

Seems someone pointed out a $4,000 Hindi idn sale to them.

http://www.namepros.com/idn-discussi...languages.html

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Re: The reason why [Do not buy any Indian IDN's]

explorer's signature comes to mind here.

"Asking a local domainer who missed the boat on IDNs in his language if IDNs are valuable is like asking your wife whether your mistress is pretty."

with a IDN portfolio of "0" why would he think they are valuable, I would like to know if he ever searched for Hindi IDNs, a cup of coffee says he ran through several top words in Hindi saw they were registered in .com/.net/.ws/.tv and concluded they are worthless JMO.
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