Ignorance of some domainers

[ilovedomains]

Hi

I was in a fairly well know webmasters chat room recently and i was amazed at the response to idn's

So i went in there and asked for some appraisals of some idn domains which have sold $20k-$60k (They didnt know this at the time)

The response made me laugh, Here are some of the responses

"Nobody is interested mate"
"I give you $2 dollars"
" Why would we want them"
" No value you at all "

Etc you get the drift,

[idnowner]

I'm thankful for IDN-ignorant domainers. The less competition, the better. But, I'm done regging new ones, so lets educate them! Lets point out the boat, way out there on the horizon.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by ilovedomains

Hi

I was in a fairly well know webmasters chat room recently and i was amazed at the response to idn's

So i went in there and asked for some appraisals of some idn domains which have sold $20k-$60k (They didnt know this at the time)

The response made me laugh, Here are some of the responses

"Nobody is interested mate"
"I give you $2 dollars"
" Why would we want them"
" No value you at all "

Etc you get the drift,

They were being nice to you....if this was 2005 they probably would ban you from the forum. By 2006 they had labeled IDNers "Moonies".

If you feel like putting up some facts, you can reference idntools.com where there are hundreds of stats on IDN sales reports. Or even the fact that ICANN has $14,000,000 in their 2009 budget for IDN rollout (that number does not include the money each countries registrars will spend so figure the total to be more in the neighborhood of $100,000,000).

Most just have never bothered to take any time to read up and frankly just plain don't care . It is hard to change most domainers views as we have all found out over the last 3 years. Don't worry...you can enjoy the many many years they will have to kick themselves in the rear end once thing play out like we expect, and they realize they missed the opportunity of a lifetime (the second time around). In reality, IDNs are where ascii domains were in 1997....only this time around we have all that knowledge and have applied our predictions and speculations towards what we see happening with foreign language domains as they follow a bit of a parrallel course. My guess is it won't take another 10 years this time round.

[idnowner]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

...and they realize they missed the opportunity of a lifetime (the second time around).

They may have been too busy "cashing in" on .mobi domains!
And, most recently, jumping on the .me bandwagon!

[ilovedomains]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

They were being nice to you....if this was 2005 they probably would ban you from the forum. By 2006 they had labeled IDNers "Moonies".

If you feel like putting up some facts, you can reference idntools.com where there are hundreds of stats on IDN sales reports. Or even the fact that ICANN has $14,000,000 in their 2009 budget for IDN rollout (that number does not include the money each countries registrars will spend so figure the total to be more in the neighborhood of $100,000,000).

Most just have never bothered to take any time to read up and frankly just plain don't care . It is hard to change most domainers views as we have all found out over the last 3 years. Don't worry...you can enjoy the many many years they will have to kick themselves in the rear end once thing play out like we expect, and they realize they missed the opportunity of a lifetime (the second time around). In reality, IDNs are where ascii domains were in 1997....only this time around we have all that knowledge and have applied our predictions and speculations towards what we see happening with foreign language domains as they follow a bit of a parrallel course. My guess is it won't take another 10 years this time round.

Yes good food for thought there,

Also why do .mobi domain names command such a high price, Does it help with seo or is it good to use for future investment, I am in the uk and the average user does not know about it but i would like to learn and know why they are getting the price they do?

[dnnames]

.mobi = Supply/Demand.

Supplied by domainers/Demanded by domainers. Always will be.

To be fair maybe there are some decent .mobi websites.

Seriously it does not matter. Just ignore them, because back in 2005 I was reluctant to put in the money. If you just leave them you can pick up decent ones still, buying or registering.

[gammascalper]

Originally Posted by ilovedomains

Yes good food for thought there,

Also why do .mobi domain names command such a high price, Does it help with seo or is it good to use for future investment, I am in the uk and the average user does not know about it but i would like to learn and know why they are getting the price they do?

games.mobi in Dec 2007 sold for $401,500

games.mobi today sold for $44,000

At what price is it going to sell next? The trend is pretty clear imo.

[later777]

Originally Posted by ilovedomains

Yes good food for thought there,

Also why do .mobi domain names command such a high price, Does it help with seo or is it good to use for future investment, I am in the uk and the average user does not know about it but i would like to learn and know why they are getting the price they do?

Pure speculation and marketmakersmanship .
There is no special value in these whatsoever.

[mulligan]

Kind of on topic...

I never got .mobi .. My Samsung i780 in conjunction with Opera Mobile is all I need (Resizes any website so it is navigable .. I can post here with it)

[later777]

It's not only about ignorance. One need to really know the target language as a native or close -to-native level plus have a considerable exposure to the culture of his/her target market in order to be a good domain picker. Most of ASCII domainers have none of that. What is left for them? Pretty much .me and .mobi etc. Feel some pity for them. Even we do register a lot of garbage which will never have any future. This is why one should concentrate on the field/language he knows best;

[chrisofmel]

there is a group of domainers that are positive about idns and their future, but they are waiting for idn.idn and fill the versions we hold are not the real thing and will become less valuable after fasttrack.

[Rubber Duck]

How many of them foresaw the current economic mess? Rick put me on a huge sales pitch to buy bloody Condo's in Florida. How many foresaw GM being insolvent? Some these guys are now talking about dot Com be King and dot Me being Prince. Give me a break! Personally, I cannot be arsed to argue with them any more. It is like trying to coach a bunch of retards for University Finals. For me Namepros, is Retard Central. Yes, and I got banned for countering hate mail by PM from one the fucking moderators!

The consolation, however, is that they are all living proof that people will not use language they don't understand! Even if it make business sense to do so.

[Fka200]

Not even worth trying to educate those that aren't going to supply me with the cash for my IDNs. Sitting and trying to convince someone who barely has $500 invested in ASCII that my IDNs are priceless isn't going to get me anymore, so I stopped. Their loss; just like many missed opportunities in life.

[sbe18]

Bill is right about the ccTLD's spending or pushing the IDN train in 2009...
with near 100 million PR/ marketing worldwide......on top of the ICANN budget..

the dot CN / zhong guo inside China is done...and the root servers outside of the PRC are ready for very fast millisecond responses to and from China...

go ahead and PING or traceroute your dot CN's for yourself from a China proxy server or even a server tied to the GFW..



the root server test script phase is complete....

the Cairo conference finished the Russsian cyrilic issue of dot 'po' ...pushing aside the 'py' ...paraguay phishing ccTLD issue....finally...

The Paraguayans holding up the Russian IDN fast track is kind of amusing...


And it seems that the UAE and the Egyptian are racing to be first with
idn's for dot ae and dot eg........as idn dot idn....
probably going with a CNNIC model of buy at 2X to 4X the dot com pricing so that buyers will be "grateful" for getting the IDN ccTLD as an idn.dot AE
and as an IDN dot IDN

With 20+ nations ...I think IDN dot com's in Arabic and IDN dot nets in Arabic are likely to be briskly traded very soon.....

Especially if these ccTLD's are secretive and hold back 1000's of names....

the russian ccTLD hold back is likely to be in the 10,000 of names...

I have not looked online to see what the Iranians will do for hold backs on Farsi...
or the Pakistanis with Urdu......probably massive GEO and dictionary term hold backs......

therefore......all the marketing power will go to those who grabbed the great names of farsi idn dot coms and urdu idn dot coms......

Native speakers or émigrés or not....the Farsi and Urdu IDNers are true heroes
in my judgment.....

the internet and the mobile internet will grant the curious in those 2 nations the global communications revolution that has been stifled for these 2 great cultures....

with regards to the top shelf ASCII and the ASCII wannabees......
their ignorance about language use around the world is fine...

It was not wrong or illogical for some of the long timers here to try
during the 2005 to 2007 period...

the attacks I read against RD and Olney led me to IDNF in the first place....

Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman, Wachovia, Wash Mutual are all gone....

whooooooooosh....

the dot mobi collapse
the LLLL.com craze collapse
the 40% to 80 % PPC collapse...


Are there xx,xxx sales ASCII that are being done for PPC multiples still from parking ?

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.
and we are 'moonies' ???????


If some here don't know what a great xxx,xxx IDN is for potential sale in
2009......it is a name that a company or entrepreneur sees the branding potential of......not the PPC traffic conversion potential....

If a potential buyer mentions PPC to you, to try to drive negotiations in their direction ....just stop the interaction and move on....

smarter and motivated buyers are coming....
and they know they are getting bargains at xxxx....

Steve