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Old 12th December 2008, 01:02 AM
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... my last regs:

mp3--player.com
cellular--phones.com
stock--quotes.com

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BusinessBuildingInsurance.com
Adsense PPC -> $28.90 - $43.34
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... my last regs:

mp3--player.com
cellular--phones.com
stock--quotes.com

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BusinessBuildingInsurance.com
Adsense PPC -> $28.90 - $43.34

Oh-My-God.com

What--An--IDN--Fan--You--Are.com
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Re: What do you think of...

中--国.com is still available
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中--国.com is still available?
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Oh-My-God.com

What--An--IDN--Fan--You--Are.com
I am after the keywords.
Matt Cutts said that for Google IDNer = IDN-er = IDN--er.
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Re: What do you think of...

I think it is time to test to see if Matt's theory is correct or if it is his introduction of the next LLLLLL hype (next I can see skip words being used e.g. the-cellular for ascii English)... hehe...
Also only good for picking up redirected traffic I would think, as no one in their right mind, would try to become #1 with a "hyphenhyphen" keyword MAIN--SITE I would hazard to guess

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PS: but I would like to know test results
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中--国.com is still available?
Love the hy-ph-ens but would drop the two funny squiggly characters at each end - never catch on. --.com Yeah!
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Oh well, I am sorry if I offended someone.
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I am after the keywords.
Matt Cutts said that for Google IDNer = IDN-er = IDN--er.

Google search result:
mp3--player.com /about 58,400,000 English pages for "mp3--player" (58,500,000 English pages for "mp3-player")

cellular--phones.com /about 5,520,000 English pages for "cellular--phones" (5,520,000 English pages for "cellular-phones")

stock--quotes.com /about 11,400,000 English pages for "stock--quotes" (1,760,000 English pages for "stock-quotes")

I see

and that is the same reasons why I register -

Cell・Phone.com | about 117,000,000 English pages for "Cell・Phone" (118,000,000 English pages for "Cell-Phone")

Credit・Card.com | about 193,000,000 English pages for "Credit・Card" (194,000,000 English pages for "Credit-Card")

For・Sale.com | about 344,000,000 English pages for "For・Sale" (344,000,000 English pages for "For-Sale")
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You guys be careful otherwise you will start an 'ǝpısdn-uʍop premium triple-quad-hyphen-C-V-C-C-V-C' psychotic episode.
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Re: What do you think of...

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Oh well, I am sorry if I offended someone.
No offence here... ascii ideas can always be applied to latin IDNs etc. if they work!
Always keeping an open mind to learning

Cheers, Asiaplay

PS: ignoring things like adding a number to the end of an Asian keyword IDN or a double hyphen to a latin IDN (and possible gain from doing so) is something we should all understand clearly... just wish people who can (i.e. own IDNs which can be tested), would test and share results, as this can effect values for some IDN keywords (and what we should be making sure we control).
I personally believe hiding these things helps no-one here, as it all comes out in the wash anyway...

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Re: What do you think of...

Frankly I don't think I've ever seen a site using a double dashed domain. These are pretty good keywords though, so who knows
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Let me see if I understand this correctly:
Goog is after the keywords.
So, say I have ワイン.ws, фильм.ws, etc., goog will sent me some traff no matter what. Even if it's фильм.SH!T?
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Re: What do you think of...

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Let me see if I understand this correctly:
Goog is after the keywords.
So, say I have ワイン.ws, фильм.ws, etc., goog will sent me some traff no matter what. Even if it's фильм.SH!T?
In theory for a gTLD (or ccTLD or ccSLD matches country targeting) - Yes!!!
(but read on to understand associated issues i.e. where hosted and address of "whois")!!!

All gTLD IDNs are equal in theory (some have argued that in fact only .org followed by .info might be slightly better, if any of them was a better gTLD extension than another).
Therefore - yes, in theory .cc .ws .tv, can do as well as .com, .net and .biz etc. (there is a reason .asia, .me and .eu got some sales for good keywords - as they are also gTLD ).
This is because gTLD are in theory truly global i.e. not location specific (and can show up in the results for a country being targeted - exception is possibly controlled markets i.e. where Government control of the internet, could result in some topics which are sensitive getting blocked e.g. Korea, China etc.).

However, in reality people probably are more used to typing in .com, .net and .biz (maybe .org and .info) and only a maximum of one hyphen between latin words for a domain / IDN.
Therefore for "branding" an IDN or domain (for revisit / return type-in traffic) it is better to have an IDN which people will easily recall and are more likely to type-in (people here will argue for gTLD this is .com and of course ccTLD is an obvious type-in option as well).

The only possible downside of gTLDs (all have this potential issue) is that they may need to be "hosted" on a server in the country they target to appear high in the rankings (e.g. .jp will appear in Japanese rankings no matter where hosted in the world, but .com, .net, .ws, .cc etc. will need to be hosted on a Japan based server to get the same chance of search engine inclusion and results i.e. can be excluded from Japanese "local country based" results if not!).
This also needs to be tested by country
Note: some exceptions exist to this hosting rule - basically gTLD can appear when there is less search competition for a keyword (as search engines want some results, so will pull them in, in those situations) / or when the IDN "whois" address of the owner, is within the same country being targeted... this correlation can also help it is argued).

So conclusion is - if you are developing an IDN to receive or divert traffic (rank well developed) via search engines, rather than for revisit type-in recall (or investment resale value)... in theory all gTLD are equal (just be careful where you host them)!

Cheers - Asiaplay

PS: this is why for "development" for "traffic" diversion, I own a lot of .biz
(especially for markets where the ccTLD is expensive to buy, long gone and in use or where the premium to buy the .com or .net in the 2nd hand market, is too expensive for just diverting traffic).
Basically rules are no different than for ascii, whoever develops first and follows SEO onpage and offpage development properly... will be the search engine winner (not the .com or the ccTLD - it could be the .biz, .ws or .cc!!!)...
However, the .com and .ccTLD will of course gain some type-in traffic as a result (but they will not gain any search engine ranking advantage at all and due to extension alone beat the best "developed" alternative gTLD extensions).

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